Kingmaker Game Thread

[Magicziggy]

Once more into the beach...

Back later.

[irretating]

the thing with mono is, he's not contributed at all... easy thing for scum to do, but it's how he's played the last few games

IMO both mono and Mort have had nothing of substance to say. That one post, saying that both Zigmen and I were making sense when we were urging opposite courses and voting/fosing each other seriously pinged.

so did the comment by Irre that if zig is scum, then I am probably not.

Why did my comment ping? This isn't like normal mafia. It's not like zigmen could bus you. So, if zigmen is scum then you probably aren't. It makes perfect sense to me.

[irretating]

I'm also acutely aware that Oblivion survived night 1 and the wifom implications of that.
Callan looked to be a potential thorn in scum's side and had form for being able to pick them.

The kingmaker chose oblivion to be king today, so they thought she was townish enough yesterday.

There's WIFOM for everyone who survived the night.

[oblivion]

the thing with mono is, he's not contributed at all... easy thing for scum to do, but it's how he's played the last few games

IMO both mono and Mort have had nothing of substance to say. That one post, saying that both Zigmen and I were making sense when we were urging opposite courses and voting/fosing each other seriously pinged.

so did the comment by Irre that if zig is scum, then I am probably not.

Why did my comment ping? This isn't like normal mafia. It's not like zigmen could bus you. So, if zigmen is scum then you probably aren't. It makes perfect sense to me.

the game is going to come down to influencing the kingmaker and influencing the kings, I think. fosing a scummate is a low-risk endeavor with potentially high reward as the game progresses.

[oblivion]

let me see if I can express what is on my mind. this is a game with a succession of one-shot vigs who are being hand chosen by someone who hopefully has a good towndar and a good sense of who might be able to really put their one shot to use on a given day.

I've been a one-shot vig a few times. It's an intense role because you don't want to waste your kill or harm town. in this game, you can't pass on your kill or you die. We've got people bouncing all over the thread - some want to treat the game like any mafia game. Some think there are special dynamics that affect town.

After being impotent town yesterday and having the responsibility for a kill today, I think the more people talk the better. The nice thing is you guys all know who is going to make the kill. The bad thing is, so do scum and they're trying to further their goals today, too.

the person who has tried the hardest to influence/direct my decision today is ani/jynx. Feck has defended himself, Zigmen basically resigned himself and IMO didn't do much to shake the cloud of suspicion he gathered yesterday.

[oblivion]

ok guys. who would you kill if you were me?

gib - zigmen
zigmen - gib
ani - feck or zigmen

... ?

[irretating]

I'd probably kill mono. As irregular as zigmen's behaviour, if he's the hero it would kind of fit (after all, he'd take you out, and he did vote for you yesterday).

[Feck]

I agree with you that Jynx has been the one trying to influence you ,But it's also how he plays Mafia when he is town .
I thought Gib looked scummy earlier today

[charlou]

Morning, all.

Just read up on both threads. Oblivion, you want people to

Jynx - playing a typical inimitable Jynx game (which IMO means likely not scum)
Zigmen - flipflopping in his reasonings (town chat bad, now ok with reservations), voting Gib because Gib was tetchy... pings with me
Gib - playing a reasonably town game
Denny - I don't see the FoS on feck for callan's NK, and what is with wondering about number of assassins? Pings
Feck - unfortunate choice of Day1 execution, but to go for a no-show (even if he executed early) is pro-town... scum would have been way too nervous to kill a townie by cutting short the day and not following someone's particular suggestion for an execution
Mono - not really doing much.. this needs to change
Sciencerob - hello! showing up would be nice
Mort - appears today with sound reasoning, if a little rehashed from what people said yesterday...hmm
Mantis - pro-town post today, a bit quieter than usual
charlou - fairly quiet? I'd need to hear more from her today to get a read
oblivion - coming across as a bit of a mastermind this game... but if zigmen was scum then oblivion most likely town

Re callan's NK. Isn't it more likely scum thought she was the hero or the kingmaker? From the wiki, the hero is the main target, then the kingmaker. Callan's posts berating feck could be from a disappointed hero or kingmaker. That's my take on it anyway.

Based on this post, FOS irre and gib. Gib's tetchiness is out of character. Irre posting this kind of list is what she does when scum.

[DennyB]

fuck damn wifi connection at a motel........

[oblivion]

Irre has looked to me like she's special-hunting today.

[DennyB]

Ok I will retype.
I got stuck in CT tonight. I have to be onsite in 7 hrs, 4am est.

Feck looks much more town to me.
Ani looks like Ani/jynx.
Zigmen's posts looks similat to his scum game posts.
RE: OB's question, thats where my vote would go.

[Mantisdreamz]

ok guys. who would you kill if you were me?

gib - zigmen
zigmen - gib
ani - feck or zigmen

... ?

Gib hasn't pinged with me. I have to go back to see why Zigmen voted for him.
Feck, I'm not too sure. Irre makes a good point about him in her list -- that he might have been more careful if he was scum.
Zigmen - not sure what to think. He hasn't been around in the last bit, so it makes it tough to judge. His posts seem like he knows something? Either that, or like Ani said - he's just bluffing.

I do feel slightly wary of Morticia.

[charlou]

Morticia posted some inexplicable comment about Zigmen and oblivion's disagreement yesterday ... hasn't shown up yet today.


FOS Denny for only looking at oblivion's list and not doing his own scum hunting.

[oblivion]

I'm guessing it will be another hour or two before zigmen shows up.