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Post by Gawd » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:41 am

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Anthroban wrote: Intentions my ass.
Intentions matter. American bombers killed far more Germans during WWII than Americans killed by Germans. So was the US a malefactor there? Was the imperial US war machine bullying the poor Third Reich because we liked bombing enemy civilians? Or do intentions matter? :fp:
Hey, you were bombing civilians in Germany. You should pick a better example.
I think that one works well enough.

Perhaps you've never heard the concept of Perfect Weapons? If our commander-in-chief could've pressed a button and instantly made every German gun, tank, shell and airplane turn into Jell-O, I think it stands to reason that he would've used it. Instant end to the war, guaranteed capitulation from Berlin. If he could've made every single German soldier instantly die, I don't think that would be so likely. Even if he were so despicable, he's got people to whom he's accountable. The next step in the discussion is: what would men like Hitler or bin Laden do with such power? I think they'd use it quite differently. It is a matter of intentions.
More American bullshit. You guys randomly bombed entire cities in Germany full of civilians. The American intention was to kill everything and everyone there. And it is a straw man to bring up a "theoretical perfect weapon".

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:43 am

Don't forget, the atomic bomb was meant for Berlin. :tup:
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Anthroban wrote:And yes, the US was a malefactor in that case. As we all know, history is written by the victors. Had Nazi Germany won the war it would have been US department heads and soldiers put on trial and hung.
You can't help but argue any issue, can you? What dross.
Anthroban wrote: As for "slapping" me, go fuck yourself - besides you've got your facts as skewed and screwed as usual. Now stick to the topic at hand.
Now now, play nice. You defend a topic as sick as "civilians are legitimate targets" and you deserve your embarassment.

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Anthroban wrote:Sam Harris is a fuckwit for one. Second the bombing of civilian targets was intentional.
Partially, yes it was. Especially for the night-bombing British. The US mostly stuck to daylight raids of specific targets, despite the higher losses they received. Now, O Military Genius, how would you have fought back against the Third Reich with 1940s-era weapons, hmm?? :pop:
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Gawdzilla wrote:Don't forget, the atomic bomb was meant for Berlin. :tup:
The war ended in Germany before the atom bomb could be considered to be dropped there. But the fact that the USA used it on the entire city of Hiroshima shows that it was American intention to kill indiscrimantly to terrorize the Japanese.

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Ian wrote:
Anthroban wrote:Sam Harris is a fuckwit for one. Second the bombing of civilian targets was intentional.
Partially, yes it was. Especially for the night-bombing British. The US mostly stuck to daylight raids of specific targets, despite the higher losses they received. Now, O Military Genius, how would you have fought back against the Third Reich with 1940s-era weapons, hmm?? :pop:
The same way all the "terrorists" do today.

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Gawdzilla wrote:Don't forget, the atomic bomb was meant for Berlin. :tup:
The war ended in Germany before the atom bomb could be considered to be dropped there. But the fact that the USA used it on the entire city of Hiroshima shows that it was American intention to kill indiscrimantly to terrorize the Japanese.
Shit, you forget the firebombings. They killed more people than the nukes. We had that shit down cold! :tup:
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Anthroban wrote:And yes, the US was a malefactor in that case. As we all know, history is written by the victors. Had Nazi Germany won the war it would have been US department heads and soldiers put on trial and hung.
You can't help but argue any issue, can you? What dross.
Anthroban wrote: As for "slapping" me, go fuck yourself - besides you've got your facts as skewed and screwed as usual. Now stick to the topic at hand.
Now now, play nice. You defend a topic as sick as "civilians are legitimate targets" and you deserve your embarassment.
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Gawdzilla wrote:Don't forget, the atomic bomb was meant for Berlin. :tup:
The war ended in Germany before the atom bomb could be considered to be dropped there. But the fact that the USA used it on the entire city of Hiroshima shows that it was American intention to kill indiscrimantly to terrorize the Japanese.
Did you forget Nagasaki?

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Post by Blondie » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:54 am

Ian wrote:
Anthroban wrote:Sam Harris is a fuckwit for one. Second the bombing of civilian targets was intentional.
Partially, yes it was. Especially for the night-bombing British. The US mostly stuck to daylight raids of specific targets, despite the higher losses they received. Now, O Military Genius, how would you have fought back against the Third Reich with 1940s-era weapons, hmm?? :pop:

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Anthroban wrote:
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Gawdzilla wrote:Don't forget, the atomic bomb was meant for Berlin. :tup:
The war ended in Germany before the atom bomb could be considered to be dropped there. But the fact that the USA used it on the entire city of Hiroshima shows that it was American intention to kill indiscrimantly to terrorize the Japanese.
Did you forget Nagasaki?
Also applies to Nagasaki.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:55 am

Luckily, when Nagoya was socked in, the crew of Bock's Car did, indeed, remember Nagasaki.
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Post by Ian » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:56 am

Gawdzilla wrote:Luckily, when Nagoya was socked in, the crew of Bock's Car did, indeed, remember Nagasaki.
Wasn't it Kokura? Or is that in or part of Nagoya? My Japanese geography is a little off. :think:

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:00 am

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Gawdzilla wrote:Luckily, when Nagoya was socked in, the crew of Bock's Car did, indeed, remember Nagasaki.
Wasn't it Kokura? Or is that in or part of Nagoya? My Japanese geography is a little off. :think:
Meh, one town full of slitty-eyed yellow bastards looks pretty much like another from 30,000 feet. It's easier just to pickle that puppy off and yell "Miller Time!" than to do that tedious geography shit.
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