Civilians are legitimate targets

[Gawd]

Again, you're nothing but a sociopath.

Sure seems that way.

Shouldn't I be bombing some Americans right now instead of the other way around for this to hold?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Don't bother, Julia.

[Ian]

Again, you're nothing but a sociopath.

Sure seems that way.

Shouldn't I be bombing some Americans right now instead of the other way around for this to hold?

You're being bombed?? Your house has been targeted? Wow, get some pictures!

Could this be some indication of where or who Gawd is? Oddly, he's never given us any indication of his background. Gawdzilla and I, like most people on this forum, are open books. Even Sandi at least lets us know he's in western Canada somewhere. Gawd - it might actually do you some good to give us some insight. I think your logos is complete crap, so maybe you could provide some ethos for your arguments.

[Blondie]

I don't really care what you are telling me. A conversation with you will never happen.

I think it's time we leave this thread. Let these guys circle-jerk each other about how anyone born in the US deserves to wear a target.

Reciprocity. It's your gov't policy but you haven't the wit to see your own hypocrisy when you object to it applied to your fellow citizens.

Intentions, my friend. That's the key word here.

Have you found the source of that "mystery missile" yet?

Intentions my ass.

And I completely forgot about that missile thing, not that I see how it is at all relevant.

[Blondie]

Dddddouble post

[Blondie]

Bullshit. I've told you the work I do is classified and I have very high-level federal clearance. As for where I'm from.. I'm coming at you from Mountain View California at the moment, but I do move around a lot.

If I told you more some folks in darksuits, sunglasses, and earpieces would show up at your front door and you'd have yourself a nice stay at Guantanamo resort and spa.

I hear the naked-men pyramid is a great way to relieve stress.

[Julia]

Again, you're nothing but a sociopath.

Sure seems that way.

Shouldn't I be bombing some Americans right now instead of the other way around for this to hold?

You're being bombed?? Your house has been targeted? Wow, get some pictures!

Could this be some indication of where or who Gawd is? Oddly, he's never given us any indication of his background. Gawdzilla and I, like most people on this forum, are open books. Even Sandi at least lets us know he's in western Canada somewhere. Gawd - it might actually do you some good to give us some insight. I think your logos is complete crap, so maybe you could provide some ethos for your arguments.

I have a vague memory that when he was on the RDF forum, he stated his location as somewhere in the south-eastern US. North Carolina, maybe?

[sandinista]

I don't really care what you are telling me. A conversation with you will never happen.

I think it's time we leave this thread. Let these guys circle-jerk each other about how anyone born in the US deserves to wear a target.

the only circle jerk here is you and zilla

I don't really care what you are telling me. A conversation with you will never happen.

.... It's already begun.

haha, glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.

Most of the people in the 9/11 buildings were legitimate targets because they are part of the economic engine and companies that fuel the US forces.

+1

true, as legitimate as any targets the americans hit in Afghanistan or Iraq at least.

Ah, no. Intention matters, no matter how much you wish it weren't so. The difference between trying to avoid civilians deaths vs. trying to kill civilians is paramount.

To believe otherwise is morally bankrupt.

...and, if you've been following the thread you would see that civilians are indeed the targets of US bombs. The only definition of "civilian" given is an unarmed person not active in the war. Obviously, when your country had been invaded and occupied you take up arms (if your not already armed which most people in the middle east are) hence, voila, no civilians. What kind of warped logic is that?

[Ian]

Intentions my ass.

And I completely forgot about that missile thing, not that I see how it is at all relevant.

Intentions matter. American bombers killed far more Germans during WWII than Americans killed by Germans. So was the US a malefactor there? Was the imperial US war machine bullying the poor Third Reich because we liked bombing enemy civilians? Or do intentions matter?

I brought up the missile thing as a means to slap you for defending Gawd on this thread. It's another instance which shows that you're capable in believing in preposterous bullshit.

[Gawd]

Again, you're nothing but a sociopath.

Sure seems that way.

Shouldn't I be bombing some Americans right now instead of the other way around for this to hold?

You're being bombed?? Your house has been targeted? Wow, get some pictures!

Could this be some indication of where or who Gawd is? Oddly, he's never given us any indication of his background. Gawdzilla and I, like most people on this forum, are open books. Even Sandi at least lets us know he's in western Canada somewhere. Gawd - it might actually do you some good to give us some insight. I think your logos is complete crap, so maybe you could provide some ethos for your arguments.

I have a vague memory that when he was on the RDF forum, he stated his location as somewhere in the south-eastern US. North Carolina, maybe?

Your memory is more vague than George Bush's recollection of the evidence for WMD's in Iraq. Off by a long shot. Take another guess.

And are you implying that I'm a self hating American?

[Julia]

Oh, hell. Why not?

[Gawd]

Intentions my ass.

And I completely forgot about that missile thing, not that I see how it is at all relevant.

Intentions matter. American bombers killed far more Germans during WWII than Americans killed by Germans. So was the US a malefactor there? Was the imperial US war machine bullying the poor Third Reich because we liked bombing enemy civilians? Or do intentions matter?

I brought up the missile thing as a means to slap you for defending Gawd on this thread. It's another instance which shows that you're capable in believing in preposterous bullshit.

Hey, you were bombing civilians in Germany. You should pick a better example.

[Ian]

Intentions my ass.

Intentions matter. American bombers killed far more Germans during WWII than Americans killed by Germans. So was the US a malefactor there? Was the imperial US war machine bullying the poor Third Reich because we liked bombing enemy civilians? Or do intentions matter?

Hey, you were bombing civilians in Germany. You should pick a better example.

I think that one works well enough.

Perhaps you've never heard the concept of Perfect Weapons? If our commander-in-chief could've pressed a button and instantly made every German gun, tank, shell and airplane turn into Jell-O, I think it stands to reason that he would've used it. Instant end to the war, guaranteed capitulation from Berlin. If he could've made every single German soldier instantly die, I don't think that would be so likely. Even if he were so despicable, he's got people to whom he's accountable. The next step in the discussion is: what would men like Hitler or bin Laden do with such power? I think they'd use it quite differently. It is a matter of intentions.
A good discussion of this can be found in The End of Faith by Sam Harris.

[Blondie]

Intentions my ass.

And I completely forgot about that missile thing, not that I see how it is at all relevant.

Intentions matter. American bombers killed far more Germans during WWII than Americans killed by Germans. So was the US a malefactor there? Was the imperial US war machine bullying the poor Third Reich because we liked bombing enemy civilians? Or do intentions matter?

I brought up the missile thing as a means to slap you for defending Gawd on this thread. It's another instance which shows that you're capable in believing in preposterous bullshit.

Hey, you were bombing civilians in Germany. You should pick a better example.

And intentionally too.

And yes, the US was a malefactor in that case. As we all know, history is written by the victors. Had Nazi Germany won the war it would have been US department heads and soldiers put on trial and hung.

As for "slapping" me, go fuck yourself - besides you've got your facts as skewed and screwed as usual. Now stick to the topic at hand.

[Blondie]

Intentions my ass.

Intentions matter. American bombers killed far more Germans during WWII than Americans killed by Germans. So was the US a malefactor there? Was the imperial US war machine bullying the poor Third Reich because we liked bombing enemy civilians? Or do intentions matter?

Hey, you were bombing civilians in Germany. You should pick a better example.

I think that one works well enough.

Perhaps you've never heard the concept of Perfect Weapons? If our commander-in-chief could've pressed a button and instantly made every German gun, tank, shell and airplane turn into Jell-O, I think it stands to reason that he would've used it. Instant end to the war, guaranteed capitulation from Berlin. If he could've made every single German soldier instantly die, I don't think that would be so likely. Even if he were so despicable, he's got people to whom he's accountable. The next step in the discussion is: what would men like Hitler or bin Laden do with such power? I think they'd use it quite differently. It is a matter of intentions.
A good discussion of this can be found in The End of Faith by Sam Harris.

Sam Harris is a fuckwit for one. Second the bombing of civilian targets was intentional.