Civilians are legitimate targets

[Gawd]

So I'm thinking about how every one is throwing around the "terrorism" word and how "unsanctimoniously unholy" it is to target civilians in war or retaliation. The more that I think about it, the more that I think that this is bullshit and everyone is a legitimate target in an international conflict. You can't cry foul against someone for "terrorizing" you when you are bombing their country to shits and giggles. You can't just sit at home and completely absolve yourself of any involvement because you are still one of the citizens of the country. You are what enable the army, the bombs, and the war to happen. You reap the fruits of war. You are a legitimate target.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Lugnuts. Just sayin'.

[Gawd]

So Gawdzilla, from my train of thought, 9/11 was a legitimate attack against the US. Americans can't just sit back and be comfy while others suffer at the guns of American "soldiers".

[Gawdzilla Sama]

So Gawdzilla, from my train of thought, 9/11 was a legitimate attack against the US. Americans can't just sit back and be comfy while others suffer at the guns of American "soldiers".

You're train hasn't left the station.

[JOZeldenrust]

Sure, and all those Palestinian civilians are legitimate targets of Israeli oppression. They shouldn't expect to stand idly by while their fellow tribesmen bomb Israeli bars and busses.

Gawd, you're actively hurting the Palestinian people by alienating those who would be sympathetic towards them.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sure, and all those Palestinian civilians are legitimate targets of Israeli oppression. They shouldn't expect to stand idly by while their fellow tribesmen bomb Israeli bars and busses.

Gawd, you're actively hurting the Palestinian people by alienating those who would be sympathetic towards them.

He never claimed he was smart.

[Gawd]

Sure, and all those Palestinian civilians are legitimate targets of Israeli oppression. They shouldn't expect to stand idly by while their fellow tribesmen bomb Israeli bars and busses.

Gawd, you're actively hurting the Palestinian people by alienating those who would be sympathetic towards them.

Ummmm, I didn't even mention Israel, Palestine, or Jews in this thread yet. Bit premature?

[JOZeldenrust]

Sure, and all those Palestinian civilians are legitimate targets of Israeli oppression. They shouldn't expect to stand idly by while their fellow tribesmen bomb Israeli bars and busses.

Gawd, you're actively hurting the Palestinian people by alienating those who would be sympathetic towards them.

Ummmm, I didn't even mention Israel, Palestine, or Jews in this thread yet. Bit premature?

Your premisse is framed as a universal statement. My conclusion logically follows. It's called a reductio ad absurdum.

[Gawd]

Sure, and all those Palestinian civilians are legitimate targets of Israeli oppression. They shouldn't expect to stand idly by while their fellow tribesmen bomb Israeli bars and busses.

Gawd, you're actively hurting the Palestinian people by alienating those who would be sympathetic towards them.

Ummmm, I didn't even mention Israel, Palestine, or Jews in this thread yet. Bit premature?

Your premisse is framed as a universal statement. My conclusion logically follows. It's called a reductio ad absurdum.

Your reduction is absurd and dumb. West Bank Palestinians have moved on from violent resistance and are now taking the diplomatic approach as evidenced by Abbas and seeking recognition of the West Bank at the UN, European, and South American countries. Hamas doesn't target civilians, they just launch home made rockets at the border areas that the Israelis have taken on to themselves to annex illegitimately. Whereever the fire crackers land is where it lands, there is no guidance on those things and they've only cause any real damage like twice in the past 3 years.

See what you made me do there? You made me talk about Israel outside of the "I hate Israel" subforum.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Gawd, you can't say civilians in one country are legitimate targets and those in another are not.

Well, YOU can, but it still doesn't work.

[sandinista]

Killing, either by roadside bombs, or bombs dropped from the air, IMO, are wrong. Either way, same shit. Both terrorism. Both wrong. Muslim lunatics, christian lunatics...jewish lunatics. The problem with the term "civilian" often is...many people who are fighting are civilians. If your country gets invaded and you fight against the occupiers, you may not be in "the army" per say, but simply a "civilian" fighting for your homeland. The distinction between "combatant" and "civilian" is very blurry. Is anyone with a gun classified a "combatant" and anyone without a "civilian"?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

In the real world, anybody with a gun is a combatant.

[sandinista]

In the real world, anybody with a gun is a combatant.

So, then no one defending themselves, or even owning a gun is a "civilian". That makes pretty much anyone a "legitimate target".

[Gawdzilla Sama]

In the real world, anybody with a gun is a combatant.

So, then no one defending themselves, or even owning a gun is a "civilian". That makes pretty much anyone a "legitimate target".

I didn't have time to hunt down everybody with a gun, too much else to do. I did kill people who pointed guns at me, or who I thought might be so inclined.

[Ian]

People with guns aren't necessarily targets, But anybody with a gun AND funny accent could be considered a legitimate target.

We should begin bombing the southern states immediately, followed by a campaign through the mountain states. Paramilitary actions should be able to handle the rest.