Free thought

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The rule that the babble should not be translated into the local language and the masses should be held in Latin were, IMNSHO, designed to keep the people from thinking about what they were being sold from the pulpit.

[FBM]

Look up "heresy".

[charlou]

The rule that the babble should not be translated into the local language and the masses should be held in Latin were, IMNSHO, designed to keep the people from thinking about what they were being sold from the pulpit.

King James wanted a babble for the people ... The realisation of that ... Was that the point when questioning began in earnest .. ?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The rule that the babble should not be translated into the local language and the masses should be held in Latin were, IMNSHO, designed to keep the people from thinking about what they were being sold from the pulpit.

King James wanted a babble for the people ... The realisation of that ... Was that the point when questioning began in earnest .. ?

Is he before or after Martin Luther?

[hiyymer]

I'm after some examples how religion suppresses free thinking. Cheers.

What is "free thinking?"

Remove "free" and what are you left with?

That is your answer.



To answer the OP ... carrot/stick manipulation through promises of paradise and threats of eternal suffering, the latter with greater and nastier emphasis in my experience ... A self perpetuating meme of moral dogma, righteousness and perversity.

Galileo certainly wasn't reprimanded for "thinking".

[Cunt]

Galileo.

The guy who was burned for saying there were planets around other stars.

Got a bit of an issue with this, Gawdzilla. MANY folks said that kind of thing. He was 'burned' for providing proof, and dancing with glee around the ignorant superstitious (in particular the Catholicks) while showing off his proof.

They led him on a tour of torture chambers, then asked him if he wished to kiss pope ass. Kiss it he did, and remained imprisoned for the rest of his days.

He had MUCH more than words to offer. He dealt a killing blow to the status quo.

I agree with Hiyymer that he was not acted against for thinking.

As to the OP, what about Turing? Look him up...tragic story of a brilliant mind ended early. (from wikipedia)

Turing's homosexuality resulted in a criminal prosecution in 1952 — homosexual acts were illegal in the United Kingdom at that time — and he accepted treatment with female hormones (chemical castration) as an alternative to prison. He died in 1954, several weeks before his 42nd birthday, from cyanide poisoning. An inquest determined it was suicide; his mother and some others believed his death was accidental. On 10 September 2009, following an Internet campaign, then-British Prime Minister Gordon Brown made an official public apology on behalf of the British government for the way in which Turing was treated after the war.[3]

[Coito ergo sum]

[Coito ergo sum]

[Coito ergo sum]

[Coito ergo sum]

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820

[Coito ergo sum]

«The multitude of books is a great evil. There is no limit to this fever for writing; every one must be an author; some out of vanity, to acquire celebrity and raise up a name, others for the sake of mere gain.»
Martin Luther, German Reformation leader, Table Talk, 1530s(?).

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Galileo.

The guy who was burned for saying there were planets around other stars.

Got a bit of an issue with this, Gawdzilla. MANY folks said that kind of thing. He was 'burned' for providing proof, and dancing with glee around the ignorant superstitious (in particular the Catholicks) while showing off his proof.

They led him on a tour of torture chambers, then asked him if he wished to kiss pope ass. Kiss it he did, and remained imprisoned for the rest of his days.

He had MUCH more than words to offer. He dealt a killing blow to the status quo.

I agree with Hiyymer that he was not acted against for thinking.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... ad#p676722

[hiyymer]

He was 'burned' for providing proof, and dancing with glee around the ignorant superstitious (in particular the Catholicks) while showing off his proof.

He was a Catholick himself, and a very devout one; definitely a member of the club. He made his living teaching mathematics in a Catholic institution. The priests and bishops were his friends and acquaintances. He was of the privileged class. The church ruled his world. It wasn't a democracy. He didn't have to tell the Pope that he was an idiot for not agreeing with him. But he did.

[Hermit]

Galileo certainly wasn't reprimanded for "thinking".

No, it certainly was more than a reprimand. He formally recanted the heliocentric theory after being shown "the instruments" twice. Then he was placed under house arrest in a geographically isolated area for the rest of his life.