'In 'The War on Christmas,' Christmas is winning'

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'In 'The War on Christmas,' Christmas is winning'

Post by eXcommunicate » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:02 am

le sigh...

MSNBC buys into the whole "War on Christmas" hogwash. I quote here to prevent any additional hits to MSNBC's page.
NEW YORK — The War on Christmas may be in its final days.

This season, merry Christmas — not happy holidays or season's greetings — will dominate retailer's marketing messages. There will be Christmas sales and Christmas trees and Christmas carols galore.

That has the American Family Association, arguably one of the loudest voices advocating the use of Christmas in retailer's marketing messages over the past few years, predicting that its crusade could conclude in the next year or two.

Randy Sharp, director-special projects at the AFA, said that in the past five years the group has seen the percentage of retailers recognizing Christmas in their advertising rise from 20 percent to 80 percent. Just eight retailers are left on the group's list of "Companies Against Christmas."

It's also become more challenging to find a large, national retailer to single out for the group's annual boycott. This year, Dick's Sporting Goods, which boasts an online "Holiday Shop," will be the target of the boycott. The AFA is expected to send an Action Alert to its 2.3 million supporters on Friday morning. That alert will urge shoppers to boycott Dick's between now and Dec. 25. It also calls for consumers to e-mail President-Chief Operating Officer Joseph Schmidt and then call Chief Marketing Officer Jeff Hennion. The retailer declined to comment. In the past, Target, Sears, Gap and Walmart have been targets.

"We've had a complete flip," Mr. Sharp says. "The politically correct holiday verbiage is going away. Companies are getting the message."

Indeed, retailers that have found themselves the target of boycotts or media and consumer scrutiny have responded swiftly in recent years. Lowe's "Family Trees" were renamed "Christmas Trees," while Walmart's "Holiday Shop" is now a "Christmas Shop." Midway through the 2005 holiday season, Target, facing a boycott, announced its advertising messages would become more specific and include references to Christmas. And last year, Gap responded to a boycott by issuing a press release highlighting the use of the phrase "Merry Christmas" in its upcoming Old Navy ads.

Mr. Sharp stopped short of saying that he was surprised by how quickly and readily most retailers have changed their marketing. But he did point out that, especially in this type of economic environment, retailers are being careful not to alienate customers.

"Shoppers vote with their wallets every day," said Ellen Davis, a VP at the National Retail Federation. "[When it comes to boycotts,] retailers realize, 'It could just as easily have been us.' "

The NRF does not formally advise retailers on whether they should use the word Christmas, but Ms. Davis said it does provide statistics. This year's NRF/BigResearch survey found that 91 percent of consumers plan to celebrate Christmas, compared with 5% for Hanukkah and 2% for Kwanzaa.

"Retailers dipped their toe into the Christmas waters again last year, and there wasn't much push back. There wasn't a huge outcry from groups offended that retailers were saying Merry Christmas," said Ms. Davis. "We see the word Christmas being used much more this year than three or four years ago. The pendulum seems to have swung back."

The "extreme backlash" to generic holiday messaging likely caught retailers off guard in years past, Ms. Davis added. Now, phrasing around the holidays is much more strategic. "At this point, it's a conscious decision. It's not just whimsical phrases being tossed around in the marketing department," she said. "These are conversations that are now probably taking place in the C-Suite."

Retailers certainly tread carefully when it comes to the subject of Christmas. Major retailers such as JCPenney and Target said they don't have formal policies on in-store greetings. And retailers ranging from Gap to Macy's and RadioShack to Sears emphasized their inclusion and respect for shoppers of different beliefs, while noting that at least some of their marketing messages include the word Christmas. RadioShack, however, still appears on the AFA's list of "Companies Against Christmas." A RadioShack spokesman declined to comment on that distinction.

Plenty view the tactics of the AFA and other groups as bullying, but Mr. Sharp rejects that. "It's not bullying, it's consumer advocacy," he said. The AFA's stance is that retailers should not profit from Christmas, if they refuse to clearly acknowledge it. "When your advertising has trees and ornaments and gift wrapping, you're advertising Christmas, so don't call it holiday," Mr. Sharp said, adding that the group is not at all offended by Happy Hanukkah messages.
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Re: 'In 'The War on Christmas,' Christmas is winning'

Post by Wumbologist » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:29 am

Guess that's the cue to roll out the howitzers.

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Re: 'In 'The War on Christmas,' Christmas is winning'

Post by charlou » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:05 pm

christmas .. commercialism ... the whole thing is fucking :|~
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Post by Kristie » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:25 pm

I call it Christmas, so I don't care if retailers do. :dunno:
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Post by charlou » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:26 pm

Don't question tradition. :tup:
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Post by leo-rcc » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:35 pm

This calls for scorched earth tactics.
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Re: 'In 'The War on Christmas,' Christmas is winning'

Post by GreyICE » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:57 pm

I fought the war, I fought the war, I fought the war
But the war won
I fought the war, I fought the war, I fought the war
But the war won

Monster movie, Daddy Warbucks up against Bobby Fuller
And he beat him hands down
Lead in his head
He put a little lead in, In his head

I fought the war, I fought the war, I fought the war
But the war won
I fought the war, I fought the war, I fought the war
But the war won't stop for the love of God

I fought the war, I fought the war
But the war won

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Re: 'In 'The War on Christmas,' Christmas is winning'

Post by maiforpeace » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:04 pm

Kristie wrote:I call it Christmas, so I don't care if retailers do. :dunno:
I am just as enthusiastic and joyful about celebrating the holidays as anyone.

However, while you may call it Christmas, there are plenty of other faiths that call it something else, like Hannukah, Winter Solstice or Kwaanzaa. Calling it Christmas instead of the holidays or something more generic, excludes a significant portion of the population from celebrating the season in a way they might enjoy too.

What's wrong with being all inclusive and calling it something more generic that includes everyone? This is what some retailers had already implemented before these hateful people started their campaign. They are spending dollars and energy to pressure retailers to support their religious agenda, which purposely excludes people when those retailers were taking postive steps to be inclusive. Those retailers that succumbed were bullied into supporting what essentially amounts to religious bigotry.

I know, I know, I dare not rain on people's Christmas parade, but this is about civil rights too.
Charlou wrote:christmas .. commercialism ... the whole thing is fucking :|~
Indeed...unfortunately it's really Moneymas...the holiday season is about survival for retailers. This makes what The Family Association is doing even more insidious, because it's threatening the survival of these businesses. :nono:
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Post by Santa_Claus » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:08 pm

There was a Xmas before the Jesus shit.

There will be a Xmas long after Jesus joins the pages of historical religions.

Wot it is called doesn't really matter.

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Post by GreyICE » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:21 pm

maiforpeace wrote: However, while you may call it Christmas, there are plenty of other faiths that call it something else, like Hannukah, Winter Solstice or Kwaanzaa. Calling it Christmas instead of the holidays or something more generic, excludes a significant portion of the population from celebrating the season in a way they might enjoy too.
Are you fucking shitting me? Hanukkah isn't even one of the high holy days. Winter Solstice, this is celebrated by what, Wiccans? Kwanzaa? Fucking no.

Christmas is Christmas. It's the holiday season because of the holiday CHRISTMAS.

This is one of the few things I agree with hardcore christians about. Lets not rename reality in a goal to make reality change. If we want things to be different, we change them, we don't declare them changed and leave.
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Post by sandinista » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:35 pm

Charlou wrote:christmas .. commercialism ... the whole thing is fucking :|~
yep, fuck it...christmas i nothing but a fucking marketing scam..buy buy buy...besides that it's more sneaky christian bullshit to inject their foul religion into peoples everyday life.
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Re: 'In 'The War on Christmas,' Christmas is winning'

Post by maiforpeace » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:36 am

GreyICE wrote:
maiforpeace wrote: However, while you may call it Christmas, there are plenty of other faiths that call it something else, like Hannukah, Winter Solstice or Kwaanzaa. Calling it Christmas instead of the holidays or something more generic, excludes a significant portion of the population from celebrating the season in a way they might enjoy too.
Are you fucking shitting me? Hanukkah isn't even one of the high holy days. Winter Solstice, this is celebrated by what, Wiccans? Kwanzaa? Fucking no.

Christmas is Christmas. It's the holiday season because of the holiday CHRISTMAS.

This is one of the few things I agree with hardcore christians about. Lets not rename reality in a goal to make reality change. If we want things to be different, we change them, we don't declare them changed and leave.
Did you even bother to read the article? That's what people were trying to do...they wanted 'things to be different and tried to change them'. The people who 'declare things changed and leave' are now the American Family Association.

Retailers were naturally choosing to use more generic terms like Happy Holidays and Season's Greetings until they started getting pressure from American Family Association. Do you know who they are, and what their reasons are for doing this is? I dare you to open the link and listen for a couple of minutes. :hehe:

You may accept that this is a christian nation and it should stay that way, but I do not. I would like to see us become a secular nation one day.

Fuck American Family Association and their hateful Naughty and Nice drive, their boycott Sears for "extremely offensive and pornographic posters" that they sell online, and their boycott of Home Depot for giving gifts to homosexual activists.

I'm going to make a point of trying to buy any gifts I get this season from the stores that are listed as naughty ones. It's more fitting for me to go with the naughty as an atheist anyway.



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Re: 'In 'The War on Christmas,' Christmas is winning'

Post by Robert_S » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:01 am

GreyICE wrote:
maiforpeace wrote: However, while you may call it Christmas, there are plenty of other faiths that call it something else, like Hannukah, Winter Solstice or Kwaanzaa. Calling it Christmas instead of the holidays or something more generic, excludes a significant portion of the population from celebrating the season in a way they might enjoy too.
Are you fucking shitting me? Hanukkah isn't even one of the high holy days. Winter Solstice, this is celebrated by what, Wiccans? Kwanzaa? Fucking no.

Christmas is Christmas. It's the holiday season because of the holiday CHRISTMAS.

This is one of the few things I agree with hardcore christians about. Lets not rename reality in a goal to make reality change. If we want things to be different, we change them, we don't declare them changed and leave.
There was a lot of "Happy Holidays" in the 19fucking70s!!! I existed then and I remember it!

Why? I would assume it was to include both New Years and Hanukkah.

Now some bullshit right wing media asswipes are out to exploit our fears for their own purposes. There is NO merit to their campaign at all.
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Re: 'In 'The War on Christmas,' Christmas is winning'

Post by Tero » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:44 am

At least Jeebus got some prezzies for his birthday from the wise guys. I would throw out the myrrh whatever it is. Or maybe it was perfume as his mummy and stepdaddy never had showers that day.

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Post by GreyICE » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:57 am

maiforpeace wrote:Did you even bother to read the article? That's what people were trying to do...they wanted 'things to be different and tried to change them'. The people who 'declare things changed and leave' are now the American Family Association.

Retailers were naturally choosing to use more generic terms like Happy Holidays and Season's Greetings until they started getting pressure from American Family Association. Do you know who they are, and what their reasons are for doing this is? I dare you to open the link and listen for a couple of minutes. :hehe:

You may accept that this is a christian nation and it should stay that way, but I do not. I would like to see us become a secular nation one day.

Fuck American Family Association and their hateful Naughty and Nice drive, their boycott Sears for "extremely offensive and pornographic posters" that they sell online, and their boycott of Home Depot for giving gifts to homosexual activists.

I'm going to make a point of trying to buy any gifts I get this season from the stores that are listed as naughty ones. It's more fitting for me to go with the naughty as an atheist anyway.

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It's not a matter of Christian/Secular. We get Dec 24th/25th off because of Christmas. Not some made up holidays or less important Jewish Ceremonies. The traditions that the stores are selling items for are Christmas traditions.

Don't try and hit me in the face with the actions of the AFA, I know them a dozen times better then you do. I am telling you there is a difference between saying what things SHOULD be and what things ARE. Christmas is Christmas, saying it is a generic holiday doesn't make it a fucking generic holiday. I could call a penguin a fucking eagle, but that doesn't mean the fucker would know how to fly when I chucked it out the window. Grasp?
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