The "Sanity" Rally. Is Jon Stewart naive?

[Warren Dew]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-a ... ity-report

Can you summarize? I'm not really interested in waiting around for a TV announcer to get to the point.

[sandinista]

Maybe you shouldn't get all your news from Rush Limbaugh?

I base this on reading leftist sources. If I thought Rush Limbaugh was part of the "left", then the left would seem very diverse indeed!

the way people throw around "left" and "right", and the way it is understood in US politics, Rush may as well be a leftist.

[GreyICE]

Maybe you shouldn't get all your news from Rush Limbaugh?

I base this on reading leftist sources. If I thought Rush Limbaugh was part of the "left", then the left would seem very diverse indeed!

Sources such as?

I admit to not seeing a whole ton of uniformity of opinion in a universe where Richard Dawkins, Rachel Maddow, Eric Alterman, and Arianna Huffington are left wing.

[eXcommunicate]

Maybe you shouldn't get all your news from Rush Limbaugh?

I base this on reading leftist sources. If I thought Rush Limbaugh was part of the "left", then the left would seem very diverse indeed!

Sources such as?

I admit to not seeing a whole ton of uniformity of opinion in a universe where Richard Dawkins, Rachel Maddow, Eric Alterman, and Arianna Huffington are left wing.

Indeed. I find it funny when right-wing stalwarts like David Frum are OSTRACIZED by the right for daring to even think about not toeing the party-line. David Frum, the former economic speechwriter for George W. Bush! Or when the leader of the Republican National Committee and other Republican politicians have to back pedal and kiss Rush Limbaugh's ass when Rush threatens them on the air. Who in the Democratic Party is kissing Tweety's ass or Ed Schultz's ass or Lawrence O'Donnell's ass when they criticize them? There is simply no comparison. No comparison. How many former Democratic politicians are employed by MSNBC? None. In fact, MSNBC employs at least 1 former Republican politician that I know of (Joe Scarborough).

[Robert_S]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-a ... ity-report

Can you summarize? I'm not really interested in waiting around for a TV announcer to get to the point.

It's really quite funny I thought. No, I cannot really do it justice. If you watched for more than two minutes and weren't amused, then it's really not worth it.

[Trolldor]

Sarcasm goes over the heads of the Autistic Right.

[Warren Dew]

Sources such as?

Liberal left newspapers such as the New York Times and the Boston Globe, along with liberals on discussion sites, blogs, and in person.

I admit to not seeing a whole ton of uniformity of opinion in a universe where Richard Dawkins, Rachel Maddow, Eric Alterman, and Arianna Huffington are left wing.

Dawkins is not leftist - not that he's rightist either. I don't know who Alterman is.

Indeed. I find it funny when right-wing stalwarts like David Frum are ostracized by the right for daring to even think about not toeing the party-line. [emphasis omitted]

And Juan Williams was fired from PBS for not toeing the leftist party line. Your point?

[eXcommunicate]

Indeed. I find it funny when right-wing stalwarts like David Frum are ostracized by the right for daring to even think about not toeing the party-line. [emphasis omitted]

And Juan Williams was fired from PBS for not toeing the leftist party line. Your point?

What is "Leftist party line" about not saying idiotic things on-air? "I am frightened of Arab-looking people!" was just plain stupid for a journalist to say, but really, this all just smacks as a "last straw" kind of deal, where his comments weren't the true reason they let him go. The guy was not that great of an analyst anyway and its possible they wanted him out of his contract for any number of reasons. The fact that Fox News picked him up after creating a martyr out of him was laughable. I guess the joke's on Fox--they picked up a mediocre analyst for the cost of a few million dollars a year.

How many Democratic politicians does Fox News employ, Warren? How many Democratic politicians does MSNBC employ, Warren? Don't obfuscate. Why did sitting Republican politicians and party elite feel the need to kiss Rush Limbaugh's ass when he threatened them on his show?

[sandinista]

Sources such as?

Liberal left newspapers such as the New York Times and the Boston Globe, along with liberals on discussion sites, blogs, and in person.

I admit to not seeing a whole ton of uniformity of opinion in a universe where Richard Dawkins, Rachel Maddow, Eric Alterman, and Arianna Huffington are left wing.

Dawkins is not leftist - not that he's rightist either. I don't know who Alterman is.

Indeed. I find it funny when right-wing stalwarts like David Frum are ostracized by the right for daring to even think about not toeing the party-line. [emphasis omitted]

And Juan Williams was fired from PBS for not toeing the leftist party line. Your point?

NONE of what you mention is even remotely "left"...in ANY sense. What are you talking about?

[Coito ergo sum]

Sources such as?

Liberal left newspapers such as the New York Times and the Boston Globe, along with liberals on discussion sites, blogs, and in person.

I admit to not seeing a whole ton of uniformity of opinion in a universe where Richard Dawkins, Rachel Maddow, Eric Alterman, and Arianna Huffington are left wing.

Dawkins is not leftist - not that he's rightist either. I don't know who Alterman is.

Indeed. I find it funny when right-wing stalwarts like David Frum are ostracized by the right for daring to even think about not toeing the party-line. [emphasis omitted]

And Juan Williams was fired from PBS for not toeing the leftist party line. Your point?

NONE of what you mention is even remotely "left"...in ANY sense. What are you talking about?

Could you please clearly define what you mean by "left?"

[sandinista]

Sources such as?

Liberal left newspapers such as the New York Times and the Boston Globe, along with liberals on discussion sites, blogs, and in person.

I admit to not seeing a whole ton of uniformity of opinion in a universe where Richard Dawkins, Rachel Maddow, Eric Alterman, and Arianna Huffington are left wing.

Dawkins is not leftist - not that he's rightist either. I don't know who Alterman is.

Indeed. I find it funny when right-wing stalwarts like David Frum are ostracized by the right for daring to even think about not toeing the party-line. [emphasis omitted]

And Juan Williams was fired from PBS for not toeing the leftist party line. Your point?

NONE of what you mention is even remotely "left"...in ANY sense. What are you talking about?

Could you please clearly define what you mean by "left?"

Rush Limbaugh, Obama, Bush jr, John Stewart, Fox news, CBS, New York Times, Washington Post, and CNN, all leftists. Clear now?

[Coito ergo sum]

Sources such as?

Liberal left newspapers such as the New York Times and the Boston Globe, along with liberals on discussion sites, blogs, and in person.

I admit to not seeing a whole ton of uniformity of opinion in a universe where Richard Dawkins, Rachel Maddow, Eric Alterman, and Arianna Huffington are left wing.

Dawkins is not leftist - not that he's rightist either. I don't know who Alterman is.

Indeed. I find it funny when right-wing stalwarts like David Frum are ostracized by the right for daring to even think about not toeing the party-line. [emphasis omitted]

And Juan Williams was fired from PBS for not toeing the leftist party line. Your point?

NONE of what you mention is even remotely "left"...in ANY sense. What are you talking about?

Could you please clearly define what you mean by "left?"

Rush Limbaugh, Obama, Bush jr, John Stewart, Fox news, CBS, New York Times, Washington Post, and CNN, all leftists. Clear now?

No. Those are examples, not a definition.

[sandinista]

OK, hmm, definition,

One who holds a left-wing viewpoint; someone who seeks radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality.

from wiki...best one I could find that is closest to what I personally think is a leftist. Radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality pretty much spells it out. IE...NOT the democratic party of the US or the corporate media who obviously DO NOT want any kind of radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality. Hope that helps you out a bit...trying here, though I don't think the concept is that hard to grasp.

[Coito ergo sum]

OK, hmm, definition,

One who holds a left-wing viewpoint; someone who seeks radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality.

from wiki...best one I could find that is closest to what I personally think is a leftist. Radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality pretty much spells it out. IE...NOT the democratic party of the US or the corporate media who obviously DO NOT want any kind of radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality. Hope that helps you out a bit...trying here, though I don't think the concept is that hard to grasp.

Relative to the first part of that definition "one who holds a left wing viewpoint," could you give some examples of "left wing viewpoints?"

I would thing communist and socialist are left wing viewpoints, but what else?

Maybe this would be helpful: so that we do not mislabel something "left" that is not left, can you approximate the least "left" position that would still be left wing? Like a viewpoint that is still left but as close to being "middle" as you could get without being in the middle?

[sandinista]

OK, hmm, definition,

One who holds a left-wing viewpoint; someone who seeks radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality.

from wiki...best one I could find that is closest to what I personally think is a leftist. Radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality pretty much spells it out. IE...NOT the democratic party of the US or the corporate media who obviously DO NOT want any kind of radical social and economic change in the direction of greater equality. Hope that helps you out a bit...trying here, though I don't think the concept is that hard to grasp.

Relative to the first part of that definition "one who holds a left wing viewpoint," could you give some examples of "left wing viewpoints?"

I would thing communist and socialist are left wing viewpoints, but what else?

Maybe this would be helpful: so that we do not mislabel something "left" that is not left, can you approximate the least "left" position that would still be left wing? Like a viewpoint that is still left but as close to being "middle" as you could get without being in the middle?

I knew you would have a hard time with the "One who holds a left-wing viewpoint", almost took that out. Ignore it...go with the second part of the definition. If you do not want to mislabel something as "leftist" the best thing to do would be to disregard the term. For an example, if you're talking about the democratic party or their affiliates simply use the party name. Not sure why you or anyone feels the need to use terms that have been rendered meaningless.