Nick Clegg is a jackass
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I am bewildered that anyone could have a shred of respect left for him.
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I suspect he has no respect left for himselfMCJ wrote:I am bewildered that anyone could have a shred of respect left for him.
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When the election was over, I had a sneaking suspicion that a deal had been done, even before the election happened. Clegg was straight in to the Tories, and ignored Labour.
That feeling hasn't gone away. Clegg and Cameron are two of a kind. I even have a crazy half suspicion that Clegg is a "planted sleeper", spying on the Lib dems for the Tories, who got so lucky, they made him leader.
That feeling hasn't gone away. Clegg and Cameron are two of a kind. I even have a crazy half suspicion that Clegg is a "planted sleeper", spying on the Lib dems for the Tories, who got so lucky, they made him leader.
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Ooooooooooooooooh... I like this kind of paranoia!!mistermack wrote:When the election was over, I had a sneaking suspicion that a deal had been done, even before the election happened. Clegg was straight in to the Tories, and ignored Labour.
That feeling hasn't gone away. Clegg and Cameron are two of a kind. I even have a crazy half suspicion that Clegg is a "planted sleeper", spying on the Lib dems for the Tories, who got so lucky, they made him leader.
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There's plenty more where that came from, little lady!!MCJ wrote:Ooooooooooooooooh... I like this kind of paranoia!!
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/wint ... -alexanderNick Clegg always knew that forming a coalition with the Tories would be a perilous step for his party.
Some critics, who believe Clegg abandoned his Liberal values in favour of an armoured ministerial Jaguar, fail to appreciate two key reasons why he joined forces with David Cameron:
• The national interest argument. Britain needed a stable government during a bumpy economic period. A Lib Dem coalition with the Tories was the only way to achieve this because a deal with Labour woud have amounted to a "coalition of the losers". A minority Tory administration, propped up by the Lib Dems, would have been deeply unstable.
• The party interest argument. A central Liberal argument in wooing voters over recent decades – that they are more than a protest party and are serious about governing Britain – would have been shot to pieces if they had spurned the "big, open and comprehensive offer" David Cameron made on the day after the election.
Clegg is, however, experiencing a bumpy time himself after shedding what had appeared to be pretty sacred commitments. A new book on the coalition negotiations by the former Tory whip Rob Wilson, serialised in Saturday's Guardian, shows that the Lib Dems accepted two months before the general election they would have to scrap their pledge to abolish tuition fees.
A secret document by Danny Alexander, dated 16 March, indicated that the party would stand by its commitment to oppose an increase in the cap on tuition fees. But the Lib Dems were so isolated from Labour and the Tories on the issue that they agreed in private that they would have to forego their pledge to abolish the fees within six years.
This is what Alexander wrote:
On tuition fees we should seek agreement on part time students and leave the rest. We will have clear yellow water with the other [parties] on raising the tuition fee cap, so let us not cause ourselves more headaches.
Had Clegg stuck to the famous written NUS pledge to oppose any rise in tuition fees he would not have a problem. The Alexander document made clear the party was determined to maintain that pledge.
But the abolition pledge was in the party's election manifesto. Clegg also recorded a YouTube video for the NUS annual conference, screened on 13 April, in which he stuck by his abolition pledge. Less than a month after Alexander made clear in private that the abolition pledge would be abandoned during hung parliament negotiations, this is what Clegg told the NUS conference:
Hello I'm Nick Clegg, leader of the Liberal Democrats. I hope your conference is going to go well. You've certainly chosen a great time to hold it – slap bang in the middle of a general election campaign. I wish you success in the conference but more broadly I really hope that you and so many other young people in this country will shout loud for what you believe in and what you need to get through to politicians because life is just too unfair for too many young people today.
You've got people leaving university with this dead weight of debt, around £24,000, round their neck. One of the things I want us to do, the Liberal Democrats that is, is to join forces with you and make it plain that we've got to turn things round in a big way to provide the fairness, the optimism, the opportunity that you deserve.
What does that mean? Well it means dealing with debt. I think the plans that, as far I can make out, both the Conservatives and Labour parties are cooking up in one way or another to raise the cap on tuition fees is wrong. We will resist, vote against, campaign against any lifting of that cap.
At the same time we think you have got to do something about how student finance works. We used to want to be able to scrap tuition fees overnight. Because money is tight it is going to take a little longer. We have a plan to do that over six years. But it is a plan that works. It would start by removing the tuition fees for undergraduates in a first degree course in their last year of study. And then it would broaden out over the six year period to others too.
The video makes it difficult for Clegg to launch what could have been a strong defence. He moved to downgrade the pledge to abolish tuition fees at the 2009 Lib Dem conference. A commitment to abolish them over six years was included in the election manifesto. Had Clegg not used such stark language in the NUS video he might have won a greater hearing for this defence.
At the end of a difficult week for Clegg, in which he was mocked in the Commons by Harriet Harman for his U-turn and was the subject of taunts on the student protest, let's consider the Lib Dem defence:
• The Alexander document was part of prudent preparations for a hung parliament. It would have been irresponsible of the Lib Dems not to make such preparations.
• The Lib Dems had no choice but to prepare to drop their pledge because they were completely isolated. This is what one source told me:
These documents set out to deal with parties whose policies were diametrically opposed to ours.
So what lessons cn Clegg draw from this? He will probably reflect that one of his strengths – his passion – served him well in opposition as he signed student pledges and electrified the leaders' television debates.
Such a simple approach does not fit well with the business of government, however. The challenge for Clegg is to maintain the passion but in a way that is credible when you are driven around in an armour plated Jag.
I canvassed for the Liberals under that fucking pretension.
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Silly cunt....Lozzer wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/wint ... -alexanderNick Clegg always knew that forming a coalition with the Tories would be a perilous step for his party.
Some critics, who believe Clegg abandoned his Liberal values in favour of an armoured ministerial Jaguar, fail to appreciate two key reasons why he joined forces with David Cameron:
• The national interest argument. Britain needed a stable government during a bumpy economic period. A Lib Dem coalition with the Tories was the only way to achieve this because a deal with Labour woud have amounted to a "coalition of the losers". A minority Tory administration, propped up by the Lib Dems, would have been deeply unstable.
• The party interest argument. A central Liberal argument in wooing voters over recent decades – that they are more than a protest party and are serious about governing Britain – would have been shot to pieces if they had spurned the "big, open and comprehensive offer" David Cameron made on the day after the election.
Clegg is, however, experiencing a bumpy time himself after shedding what had appeared to be pretty sacred commitments. A new book on the coalition negotiations by the former Tory whip Rob Wilson, serialised in Saturday's Guardian, shows that the Lib Dems accepted two months before the general election they would have to scrap their pledge to abolish tuition fees.
A secret document by Danny Alexander, dated 16 March, indicated that the party would stand by its commitment to oppose an increase in the cap on tuition fees. But the Lib Dems were so isolated from Labour and the Tories on the issue that they agreed in private that they would have to forego their pledge to abolish the fees within six years.
This is what Alexander wrote:
On tuition fees we should seek agreement on part time students and leave the rest. We will have clear yellow water with the other [parties] on raising the tuition fee cap, so let us not cause ourselves more headaches.
Had Clegg stuck to the famous written NUS pledge to oppose any rise in tuition fees he would not have a problem. The Alexander document made clear the party was determined to maintain that pledge.
But the abolition pledge was in the party's election manifesto. Clegg also recorded a YouTube video for the NUS annual conference, screened on 13 April, in which he stuck by his abolition pledge. Less than a month after Alexander made clear in private that the abolition pledge would be abandoned during hung parliament negotiations, this is what Clegg told the NUS conference:
Hello I'm Nick Clegg, leader of the Liberal Democrats. I hope your conference is going to go well. You've certainly chosen a great time to hold it – slap bang in the middle of a general election campaign. I wish you success in the conference but more broadly I really hope that you and so many other young people in this country will shout loud for what you believe in and what you need to get through to politicians because life is just too unfair for too many young people today.
You've got people leaving university with this dead weight of debt, around £24,000, round their neck. One of the things I want us to do, the Liberal Democrats that is, is to join forces with you and make it plain that we've got to turn things round in a big way to provide the fairness, the optimism, the opportunity that you deserve.
What does that mean? Well it means dealing with debt. I think the plans that, as far I can make out, both the Conservatives and Labour parties are cooking up in one way or another to raise the cap on tuition fees is wrong. We will resist, vote against, campaign against any lifting of that cap.
At the same time we think you have got to do something about how student finance works. We used to want to be able to scrap tuition fees overnight. Because money is tight it is going to take a little longer. We have a plan to do that over six years. But it is a plan that works. It would start by removing the tuition fees for undergraduates in a first degree course in their last year of study. And then it would broaden out over the six year period to others too.
The video makes it difficult for Clegg to launch what could have been a strong defence. He moved to downgrade the pledge to abolish tuition fees at the 2009 Lib Dem conference. A commitment to abolish them over six years was included in the election manifesto. Had Clegg not used such stark language in the NUS video he might have won a greater hearing for this defence.
At the end of a difficult week for Clegg, in which he was mocked in the Commons by Harriet Harman for his U-turn and was the subject of taunts on the student protest, let's consider the Lib Dem defence:
• The Alexander document was part of prudent preparations for a hung parliament. It would have been irresponsible of the Lib Dems not to make such preparations.
• The Lib Dems had no choice but to prepare to drop their pledge because they were completely isolated. This is what one source told me:
These documents set out to deal with parties whose policies were diametrically opposed to ours.
So what lessons cn Clegg draw from this? He will probably reflect that one of his strengths – his passion – served him well in opposition as he signed student pledges and electrified the leaders' television debates.
Such a simple approach does not fit well with the business of government, however. The challenge for Clegg is to maintain the passion but in a way that is credible when you are driven around in an armour plated Jag.
I canvassed for the Liberals under that fucking pretension.

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I reckon that Clegg will be deposed as leader of the Libdems within a year and that the coalition will collapse.
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I think he will jump ship and join the Conservatives, he will be given a safe seat and give the finger to all the rest of his party.devogue wrote:I reckon that Clegg will be deposed as leader of the Libdems within a year and that the coalition will collapse.
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John Maclean (Scottish socialist) speech from the Dock 1918.
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Never heard of him, but he sounds a right little weasel.
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He's kind of like the Dauphin in Henry V and should be held in scorn and slight regard
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He was, reportedly, a Cuntservative whilst at Cambridge. His college's Tory club have an N. Clegg registered and only one N. Clegg ever attended the college. No surprise here...
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“I wish no harm to any human being, but I, as one man, am going to exercise my freedom of speech. No human being on the face of the earth, no government is going to take from me my right to speak, my right to protest against wrong, my right to do everything that is for the benefit of mankind. I am not here, then, as the accused; I am here as the accuser of capitalism dripping with blood from head to foot.”
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They'll take the country for a ride... whory whory ho!
Clegg and Dave, side by side, whory whory ho!
Hurray, hurray , Blighty's going down the drain
as the lifeline goes and progress slows
all it has is pain...

Clegg and Dave, side by side, whory whory ho!
Hurray, hurray , Blighty's going down the drain
as the lifeline goes and progress slows
all it has is pain...
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