The problem knowledge poses to atheism

[Tigger]

I started reading it and then scrolled down to see how long it would take to finish.
The general anaesthetic approach won't work here, methinks:

[JimC]

I started reading it and then scrolled down to see how long it would take to finish.
The general anaesthetic approach won't work here, methinks:

I hate to say it, but here is a case for Coito Ergo Sum's remorseless, step-by-step demolition...

[klr]

I started reading it and then scrolled down to see how long it would take to finish.
The general anaesthetic approach won't work here, methinks:

I hate to say it, but here is a case for Coito Ergo Sum's remorseless, step-by-step demolition...

And if that doesn't work, there's always The Blue Butterfly ...

[spinoza99]

I don't believe that you wrote this and won't respond until I see a link to a source or several books cited.

I wrote it. I can post paragraphs that I cut. I didn't cite any books other than a book edited by Carl Sagan on communicating with ET, but I can't get ahold of that book because I'm not living in an English speaking country and don't have access to a library. I cited the American Chemical Society and maybe a few others that I've forgotten.

[hackenslash]

Mind

definition of mind: an immaterial force that can compel a number of bodies to move in a certain direction

Sounds more like gravity.

I may come back and shred this properly when I have more time.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

[Millefleur]

Thats all I could see after the first paragraph.

[devogue]

Fuck all this shit.

[Tigger]

When you consider how long theists spend on utter nonsense (the whole of their lives usually), this contribution isn't really significantly long. I'm not prepared to waste my time reading something that someone presents to "explain" the nonsensical claptrap they believe. Sorry, spinoza99, it's just all wrong. You are wasting your life. WAKE UP.

[Clinton Huxley]

More hand waving than a convention of epileptic mime artists. Worthless

[charlou]

Mind

definition of mind: an immaterial force that can compel a number of bodies to move in a certain direction

Sounds more like gravity.

I may come back and shred this properly when I have more time.

Please do ... I remember your debate with that "philosopher" at RDF .. Oh yes indeedy, you are a good read.

[devogue]

Mind

definition of mind: an immaterial force that can compel a number of bodies to move in a certain direction

Sounds more like gravity.

I may come back and shred this properly when I have more time.

Please do ... I remember your debate with that "philosopher" at RDF .. Oh yes indeedy, you are a good ride.

[Bella Fortuna]

Six of one...

[Ronja]

tl:dr

(have been itching to use that smiley for some time now - though it may be a mistake to show any kind of enthusiasm in a thread with that OP...)

[Rob]

To summarize your flawed viewpoints, spinoza99 you believe this following:

1. Mind-body Dualism Exists
2. Natural Selection is not sufficient to explain the workings of the human brain (As I believe mind-body dualism is sufficiently bankrupt I will refer to it as workings of the brain, though you would prefer mind)
3. Randomness could not possibly account for the workings of the human brain
4.

You make other points which have nothing to do with your argument and other points which are simply non-points but I believe this sums up your position. The following points you make that I find are weak, not worth addressing or irrelevant:

Infinity (you don't come to a conlusion and this is merely rheteric)
Intelligence beats Randomness (Who fucking cares? We have evidence that randomness can create life[life from non-life] we have no evidence that "god did it")

Reading up to this point, I got to the point of offering support for dualism and almost just stopped this post.

What if fucking wrong with you? Make an argument for dualism from the start rather than making pointless points throughout this post.

Gravity? A mind of its own?

Particles, having their own will?

Physicists concede that one property of an atomic particle, movement, is unpredictable, therefore it is not too irrational to conclude that there are other unpredictable properties, such as will.

You think you are making a point, yet you are clearly not. You are appearing to be speaking of quantum indeterminism yet so what?

If we link two humans and ask them to cover as much distance as possible in any direction and if it is physically impossible for them to communicate with each other, the distance will shrink.

Link? Collective will? WTf?

Taking in your mental masturbation in as a whole... You assert that evolution by means of natural selection and randomness cannot account for the activities of the brain(mind). Then using quantum indeterminism(and gravity lol) you state this supports mind-body dualism as plausible. Finally you end by saying that god did what you think evolution could not, that is establish the mind.