Mon Dieu! L'Entente Cordiale nouveau!!!!

[klr]

What on earth will Clinton make of this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11670247

UK and France agree to joint nuclear testing treaty

The UK and France are to sign treaties agreeing to military co-operation including testing of nuclear warheads.

One centre will be set up in the UK to develop nuclear testing technology and another in France to carry it out.

President Nicolas Sarkozy was greeted by David Cameron as he arrived for the summit, which will also outline plans for a joint army expeditionary force.

No 10 called the measures "practical", but Labour said they left "big questions" about the UK's defences.

A Downing Street spokesman said: "This summit marks a deepening of the UK-France bilateral relationship. Ours is now a strategic partnership tackling together the biggest challenges facing our two countries."

A ceremonial Guard of Honour lined the steps at Lancaster House, in central London, as President Sarkozy arrived on Tuesday morning.

The summit comes two weeks after the UK government announced cuts to its armed forces, in the first strategic defence review since 1998, as part of savings aimed at reducing the country's budget deficit.

Under the plans £750m will be saved over four years on the Trident nuclear missile system by cutting the number of warheads.

Warheads tested

Harrier jump jets, the Navy's flagship HMS Ark Royal and planned Nimrod spy planes will also be axed, but two new aircraft carriers were spared.

Mr Cameron and Mr Sarkozy are to sign two treaties - one on greater general military co-operation and another, a 50-year deal on nuclear weapons.

The nuclear treaty will establish a centre in the UK to develop testing technology and another one in France to carry out the testing. Warheads will be tested by technical means to ensure their safety and effectiveness, without having to test them by explosion.

It is understood that each country will still control its own warheads, and that nuclear secrets will not be shared.

Asked why Britain and France did not jointly buy nuclear weapons to replace Trident, Defence Secretary Liam Fox told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the UK wanted the "most appropriate" nuclear deterrent and had a "particularly close" relationship with the US on Trident.

"We're not thinking of buying new missiles - we have the Trident D5 missile. We don't have to think about new warheads until 2019.

"We do however have to maintain the safety of the warheads we have at the present time... therefore it makes sense that we become involved in the facilities for the experimental physics that will allow that to happen.

"That's a big cost saving to our taxpayers on both sides of the Channel but it does give us the ability to maintain separate nuclear deterrent programmes."

The other treaty will allow the setting up of a "combined joint expeditionary force", thought to involve a brigade of about 5,000 soldiers from each side.

Each country will retain a veto for each operation, which will operate under one military commander to be chosen at the time.

The UK and France have also agreed to keep at least one aircraft carrier at sea between them at any one time.

Each will be able to use the other's carrier in some form, certainly for training and possibly operations.

Meanwhile, France is to use British A400M fuelling aircraft when there is spare capacity, with plans in place for common maintenance and training.

Joint work on drones, mine counter-measures and satellite communications is also proposed.

'Hysteria'

Dr Fox told the BBC there had been a "great deal of hysteria" in the media about the idea of British troops coming under French command.

"Under the existing Nato system our troops could come under Turkish or Polish command. There's nothing new about that.

"This does not affect our special relationship with the United States. It gives us economies of scale and helps us to welcome France back fully into Nato."

Asked who would decide what happen if the French were involved in operations about which Britain was not enthusiastic - at a time they were sharing Britain's aircraft carrier - he said: "That would depend on what the other nation thought. This is not a question of our military assets coming under the control of any other power than the United Kingdom."

He said it made sense that training could still be carried out while a UK aircraft carrier was in for maintenance - "if we are able to have agreements on the military operation that is fine, but we have to maintain our sovereign independence wherever the United Kingdom's interests require it".

In a statement, the French presidency said the nuclear test centre in Valduc, eastern France, would start operations in 2014.

The Valduc laboratory would work with a French-British research centre based in Aldermaston, Berkshire, it added.

Together the facilities would involve "several dozen" French and British experts and cost both countries several million euros.

It said scientists from both countries would be able to ensure the "viability, safety and security in the long term of our nuclear arsenals".

The UK's shadow defence secretary Jim Murphy said: "I support the government's emphasis on international co-operation, taking forward the good work of the last government.

"We share common threats with countries such as France, from terrorism to privacy to cyber-attack. Deepening military ties is an essential part of modern defence policy.

"Interdependence, however, is different from dependence, and binding legal treaties pose some big questions for the government."

Mr Murphy also questioned whether the the UK was entering "an era where we are reliant on our allies to fill in the gaps in the government's defence policy".

[Clinton Huxley]

I actually approve of most of this. The UK and France account for more than half of the EUs defence budget and useable military capacity. Not sure about sharing aircraft carriers but the proposals re sharing technical expertise on nuclear warheads seems sensible and also may help to reduce the UKs reliance on the US for nuclear know-how. I think the nuclear relationship with the US is one of the things that keeps us so subservient to Washington's interests.

Of course, it would be better if the French just handed their defence budget over to us, and let us take care of Europe's defences so they could sit back and smoke some of their nasty little cigarettes.

[Feck]

Well it's all good if we are one the same side .Never sure with Frances attitude to Nato though are you ? they have often got side deals with the otherside .


Still it should be easier sink the French fleet at the beginning of a large conflict (always must remember to that before they surrender and hand it to the enemy ).

[Clinton Huxley]

Royal Navy + French Navy = Royal Navy

It could work...

[klr]

Royal Air Force:


French Air Force:

[Clinton Huxley]

We did OK during the Suez crisis, until the Merkins got all shirty.

[klr]

Just don't mention Agincourt / Trafalgar / Waterloo / Mers-El-Kebir in the company of your new allies ...

[Feck]

We should rally them with tales from the great French victories like erm .....no, might need some help from you historians

[redunderthebed]

Like the war of independence in amerika.

[Don't Panic]

We should rally them with tales from the great French victories like erm .....no, might need some help from you historians

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fr ... +victories
I googled it, no joy.