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by maiforpeace » Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:33 pm
I'm glad it was properly addressed, Ronja. The only reason why stuff like this would be upsetting to anyone is because you care.
If you want me to move it back to the Wilder Web, I'll be happy to - let me know what you want as an edit to the OP if that's the case.
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by devogue » Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:39 pm
Ronja wrote:devogue wrote:Why not give them a chance to sort it out there before posting about it here?
Because I am paranoid by nature, have seen a number of RatSkep posts disappear and links to posts get mixed up during this last week, and (most importantly) I am a fair bit more angry about both Sityl's behavior and the modnote that Zwaarddijk got than I wanted to show in my official complaint (the one I quoted in the OP).
In other words: I wanted independent proof (as much as one can get on the open net) of that I have posted that question on RatSkep. I also needed to vent. And I do not feel safe to vent at RatSkep. Which is really sad - but as I said before: I am by my nature paranoid. It may well be that I am overreacting.
And Anthroban: no, I have not gotten my hopes up. But I am trying to learn more about why some web communities seem to work well and some not so well, and posing the question in the OP may help me learn more.
What's that about curiosity and the cat? 
I think you are being a bit paranoid about it, but that's fair enough. I had visions of this turning in to another almighty shitstorm here - thankfully that hasn't happened.
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by Rum » Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:44 pm
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by Ronja » Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:05 pm
Mai, I want to sleep on this. There are really good arguments for this thread being in the Wilder Web AND for it staying here. Is it OK if I let you know tomorrow?
EDIT: and in case someone did not notice, this ^^ is YOUR cue to express opinions, too (if you want to) about where this thread, or possible future threads like it, belong.
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by Ronja » Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:25 pm
Damn, I just encouraged derailing / topic drift in a thread I started!
Oh well, happens in the best of families, I'm sure...

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by Don't Panic » Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:51 pm
Ronja wrote:Damn, I just encouraged derailing / topic drift in a thread I started!
Oh well, happens in the best of families, I'm sure...

Topic drift.
Now that sounds much better.

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by Tigger » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:27 pm
They use groynes to prevent longshore drift; should we use groins to do the same with topic drift?

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by Ronja » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:29 pm
Tigger wrote:They use groynes to prevent longshore drift; should we use groins to do the same with topic drift?
There's too much of the "Putting out fire with gasoline" principle there, if you ask me...
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by Don't Panic » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:31 pm
Ronja wrote:Tigger wrote:They use groynes to prevent longshore drift; should we use groins to do the same with topic drift?
There's too much of the "Putting out fire with gasoline" principle there, if you ask me...
It's possible to put a fire out with gasoline, I would advise against it though.
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by maiforpeace » Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:36 pm
Ronja wrote:Mai, I want to sleep on this. There are really good arguments for this thread being in the Wilder Web AND for it staying here. Is it OK if I let you know tomorrow?
EDIT: and in case someone did not notice, this ^^ is YOUR cue to express opinions, too (if you want to) about where this thread, or possible future threads like it, belong.
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by Ronja » Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:19 am
I think, on the whole, that I prefer this thread to be "archived" in The Wilder Web, now that the original issue has been addressed at RatSkep. Keeping the thread in the Lounge while the RatSkep staff were still dealing with this was motivated, but now that the issue has been satisfactorily handled, I see no reason for further semi-secrecy.
Mai, if the modnote in the beginning of the OP could say: "Added 2nd November 2010: Ronja wants you to know that this issue was dealt with by RatSkep staff in a timely manner and quite satisfactorily, as reading the whole RatSkep thread (linked to in the OP below) also shows."
Thanks!
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by Ronja » Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:17 am

Mai!
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by Blondie » Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:44 am
Ronja wrote:I think, on the whole, that I prefer this thread to be "archived" in The Wilder Web, now that the original issue has been addressed at RatSkep. Keeping the thread in the Lounge while the RatSkep staff were still dealing with this was motivated, but now that the issue has been satisfactorily handled, I see no reason for further semi-secrecy.
Mai, if the modnote in the beginning of the OP could say: "Added 2nd November 2010: Ronja wants you to know that [in her opinion] this issue was dealt with by RatSkep staff in a timely manner and quite satisfactorily, as reading the whole RatSkep thread (linked to in the OP below) also shows."
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