The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

User avatar
FBM
Ratz' first Gritizen.
Posts: 45327
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:43 pm
About me: Skeptic. "Because it does not contend
It is therefore beyond reproach"
Contact:

The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by FBM » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:46 am

http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2010 ... se/?hpt=C2
Teens (and parents) not always truthful about drug use


Although health experts and most parents know that some teens experiment with drugs, many kids often do not voluntarily admit to using illicit substances, even when they know they could undergo a drug test that could prove it.

In a study published Monday in the journal Pediatrics, researchers at Wayne State University in Detroit, Michigan, surveyed more than 400 high-risk urban teens and their parents or caretakers. After asking about drug use (marijuana, cocaine, opiates, alcohol, tobacco) in a questionnaire, teen and adult hair samples were taken and tested for cocaine and opiates. The data found that young people were 52 percent more likely to test positive for cocaine in their hair samples than they were to actually report using cocaine on their questionnaires.

Researchers found that adults, like their children, also significantly underreported their own drug use. Parents and caretakers were 6.5 times more likely to test positive for cocaine use in a hair samples, and 5.5 times more likely to test positive for opiates, than they were to report using these drugs in their questionnaire. Investigators were not surprised.

"They are giving socially acceptable responses," noted study author, Dr. Virginia Delaney-Black, assistant director of the Children's Research Center at the Children's Hospital of Michigan. "People are not willing to admit to drug use so freely as they are other things."

"We've known from other studies that adults downplay their drug use,” Delaney-Black continued. "This is the first time we've documented it in teens."

The authors also discovered that parents underestimate their teens' drug use, leading researchers to believe that questioning teens or their caretakers about drugs was not the best way to estimate substance use. They concluded other test methods were necessary to gauge the real extent of teen drug abuse.

"This study was designed with pediatricians in mind." said Delaney-Black. "So we tell them, if doctors need the information, if they know their patients have a good chance of drug involvement, they can't rely on what they are told. They need to test teens further.”
:fp:
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."

"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."

User avatar
Psi Wavefunction
Cекси техническая лаборатория
Posts: 1880
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:06 am
About me: I kill threads WITH SCIENCE!

I like Crascuits. :coffee:
Location: Vancouver
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by Psi Wavefunction » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:18 am

I'm blown away. Whowuldathunk, eh?

Trolldor
Gargling with Nails
Posts: 15878
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:57 am
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by Trolldor » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:21 am

Do you use drugs?
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

User avatar
Psi Wavefunction
Cекси техническая лаборатория
Posts: 1880
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:06 am
About me: I kill threads WITH SCIENCE!

I like Crascuits. :coffee:
Location: Vancouver
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by Psi Wavefunction » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:27 am

The Mad Hatter wrote:Do you use drugs?
No. :coffee:

Trolldor
Gargling with Nails
Posts: 15878
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:57 am
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by Trolldor » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:33 am

$20 bucks says the researches sniffed the hair at least once.
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:49 am

The Mad Hatter wrote:$20 bucks says the researches sniffed the hair at least once.
Pubes?
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
FBM
Ratz' first Gritizen.
Posts: 45327
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:43 pm
About me: Skeptic. "Because it does not contend
It is therefore beyond reproach"
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by FBM » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:50 am

Psi Wavefunction wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:Do you use drugs?
No. :coffee:
Well, that's settled, then. :ddpan:
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."

"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:53 am

FBM wrote:
Psi Wavefunction wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:Do you use drugs?
No. :coffee:
Well, that's settled, then. :ddpan:
"Discussion" I heard once.

Father: "Are you using drugs?"
Son: "I am NOT using drugs!"
Me: "Not right now, you're not."

The last bit was thought rather than spoken, but I knew the kid was doing meth. Still, his answer was technically correct.
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
FBM
Ratz' first Gritizen.
Posts: 45327
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:43 pm
About me: Skeptic. "Because it does not contend
It is therefore beyond reproach"
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by FBM » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:24 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
FBM wrote:
Psi Wavefunction wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:Do you use drugs?
No. :coffee:
Well, that's settled, then. :ddpan:
"Discussion" I heard once.

Father: "Are you using drugs?"
Son: "I am NOT using drugs!"
Me: "Not right now, you're not."

The last bit was thought rather than spoken, but I knew the kid was doing meth. Still, his answer was technically correct.
I've used that defence before. :shifty:
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."

"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:25 pm

FBM wrote:I've used that defence before. :shifty:
Best way to lie is tell the literal truth, then shut up.

"Do you know what happened to my car?"

"No."

Well, that's true, because he didn't ask me about a specific item, the missing front bumper, so he could have been talking about events I WASN'T involved in. :coffee:
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
FBM
Ratz' first Gritizen.
Posts: 45327
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:43 pm
About me: Skeptic. "Because it does not contend
It is therefore beyond reproach"
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by FBM » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:33 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
FBM wrote:I've used that defence before. :shifty:
Best way to lie is tell the literal truth, then shut up.

"Do you know what happened to my car?"

"No."

Well, that's true, because he didn't ask me about a specific item, the missing front bumper, so he could have been talking about events I WASN'T involved in. :coffee:
"No, Your Honor, I was not under the influence of drugs when this incident occurred, and I have never "bought" a prohibited substance from the suspect."


:bong:
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."

"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:38 pm

FBM wrote:"No, Your Honor, I was not under the influence of drugs when this incident occurred, and I have never "bought" a prohibited substance from the suspect."


:bong:
"I found some "stuff" on his coffee table. He found some money on it. Strange how that works out."

"A bag of goodies and a bottle wine,
We're going to get on fine tonight!
Because it's a new Mother Nature
Takin' over, it's a new splendid Lady
Come to call! She's taken us all!
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
Psi Wavefunction
Cекси техническая лаборатория
Posts: 1880
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:06 am
About me: I kill threads WITH SCIENCE!

I like Crascuits. :coffee:
Location: Vancouver
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by Psi Wavefunction » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:41 pm

See, where I come from, the wonderful Mother Nature plant is not really considered a 'drug'. It's more like "medicine that prevents the entire population of Vancouver from killing themselves after the second month of no sunlight in the winter"... :shifty:

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:44 pm

Psi Wavefunction wrote:See, where I come from, the wonderful Mother Nature plant is not really considered a 'drug'. It's more like "medicine that prevents the entire population of Vancouver from killing themselves after the second month of no sunlight in the winter"... :shifty:
Wonderful Mother Nature Planttm? :hehe: (You can register it in Canada. :whisper:)
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
FBM
Ratz' first Gritizen.
Posts: 45327
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:43 pm
About me: Skeptic. "Because it does not contend
It is therefore beyond reproach"
Contact:

Re: The "Well, no shit, Sherlock" news story du jour

Post by FBM » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:39 am



And somebody got paid for figuring this out. :roll:
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."

"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 9 guests