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Re: Dawkins sues Josh Timonen

Post by cowiz » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:22 am

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Anthroban wrote:Presupposing the old accusations made, not in the least nor in the lowest tone, by the Blue Butterfly, regarding Josh's immeasurable technical incompetence along with the fact that it was only rationalia.com (a small fish in the pond, no offense) that was affected, I'm inclined to think it was coincidental and that Pawiz is paranoid.

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Re: Dawkins sues Josh Timonen

Post by Bella Fortuna » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:23 am

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Bella Fortuna wrote:
Anthroban wrote:Presupposing the old accusations made, not in the least nor in the lowest tone, by the Blue Butterfly, regarding Josh's immeasurable technical incompetence along with the fact that it was only rationalia.com (a small fish in the pond, no offense) that was affected, I'm inclined to think it was coincidental and that Pawiz is paranoid.

eta: and so is Ayaan and Bella :razzle:
The thought had occurred..... :shifty: :hehe:
Are you talking about me? Because if you are.... :lay:
:think: And you are.........................?
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Re: Dawkins sues Josh Timonen

Post by cowiz » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:24 am

Bella Fortuna wrote:
pawiz wrote:
Bella Fortuna wrote:
Anthroban wrote:Presupposing the old accusations made, not in the least nor in the lowest tone, by the Blue Butterfly, regarding Josh's immeasurable technical incompetence along with the fact that it was only rationalia.com (a small fish in the pond, no offense) that was affected, I'm inclined to think it was coincidental and that Pawiz is paranoid.

eta: and so is Ayaan and Bella :razzle:
The thought had occurred..... :shifty: :hehe:
Are you talking about me? Because if you are.... :lay:
:think: And you are.........................?
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Re: Dawkins sues Josh Timonen

Post by Blondie » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:25 am

Anyone with an active account at RatSkep want to post this link for them? Give them something new to chew on, besides who monkeyhole is. :)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 15632.html
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:25 am

It's already over there.
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Re: Dawkins sues Josh Timonen

Post by charlou » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:26 am

pawiz wrote:
Bella Fortuna wrote:
pawiz wrote:
Bella Fortuna wrote:
Anthroban wrote:Presupposing the old accusations made, not in the least nor in the lowest tone, by the Blue Butterfly, regarding Josh's immeasurable technical incompetence along with the fact that it was only rationalia.com (a small fish in the pond, no offense) that was affected, I'm inclined to think it was coincidental and that Pawiz is paranoid.

eta: and so is Ayaan and Bella :razzle:
The thought had occurred..... :shifty: :hehe:
Are you talking about me? Because if you are.... :lay:
:think: And you are.........................?
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Post by Blondie » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:28 am

Bella Fortuna wrote:It's already over there.
Oh, guess I missed it.
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Re: Dawkins sues Josh Timonen

Post by Calilasseia » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:35 am

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Calilasseia wrote:Meanwhile, on a tangential but possibly related note, was the culprit responsible for having Rationalia listed as an "attack website" located? Only that happening at this time has a certain rodential odour to it ...
The malware attack has been an ongoing issue since October 11. A coincidence, I think.
Hmm, how come it only struck me about 8 hours ago? I'm sure I've posted here between October 11th and today, and I'm certain I've browsed Rationalia more than once between the relevant dates.

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Re: Dawkins sues Josh Timonen

Post by lordpasternack » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:36 am

I just want to make a brief but important point here: Richard wouldn't be taking Josh to court if he could have managed to settle it out of court with him. His lawyers would have advised no less. This is, with a high degree of probability, something that has been escalated to this level due to a failure to resolve the matter at lower levels - a failure either for Josh to concede to Richard, or convince him of his case. And Richard wouldn't have raised it to this level unless he felt that he did have a case, and was aggrieved enough to push it.

I don't find it plausible that Timonen is entirely innocent, and that the case against him is built merely on hearsay and gossip, or someone in RDF's poor arithmetic. Even if he is eventually deemed LEGALLY in the clear - I would be extremely surprised to see him "vindicated" in any other real sense of the word…
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Re: Dawkins sues Josh Timonen

Post by charlou » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:39 am

Calilasseia wrote:
Charlou wrote:
Calilasseia wrote:Meanwhile, on a tangential but possibly related note, was the culprit responsible for having Rationalia listed as an "attack website" located? Only that happening at this time has a certain rodential odour to it ...
The malware attack has been an ongoing issue since October 11. A coincidence, I think.
Hmm, how come it only struck me about 8 hours ago? I'm sure I've posted here between October 11th and today, and I'm certain I've browsed Rationalia more than once between the relevant dates.
It's been intermittent ... see the Malware warning on homepage thread. I've linked to two other threads on the problem there.
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Re: Dawkins sues Josh Timonen

Post by SPMaximus » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:16 am

a certain pzmyers linked this on ratskep a few seconds ago :o

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010 ... imonen.php
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Re: Dawkins sues Josh Timonen

Post by anthonzi » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:22 am

SPMaximus wrote:a certain pzmyers linked this on ratskep a few seconds ago :o

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010 ... imonen.php
Ahah!

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/uplo ... imonen.pdf

I was looking for this.

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Re: Dawkins sues Josh Timonen

Post by maiforpeace » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:55 am

Bella Fortuna wrote:The full complaint: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/uplo ... imonen.pdf
Well that was an interesting read. All I could think of was cha ching, cha ching. So far RD has probably spent about 20K in legal fees to produce that document and this is just the beginning.

I can't believe Dawkins and RDF didn't insist on seeing the books of the store - a financial report of the store would be SOP at any board meeting. The fact that this went on for almost four years without one demand for an accounting is very sloppy indeed.

A most brilliant scientist, but he doesn't seem to have a clue about how to manage business affairs.
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Re: Dawkins sues Josh Timonen

Post by Bella Fortuna » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:57 am

Almost a million bucks they're claiming they're owed!! :o
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