Why shoot to kill?

[mistermack]

I'm asking why shoot to kill, why do they never shoot to incapacitate or wound?

Because it's too dangerous to take the risk and it's too difficult to attempt a non-lethal shot (too random a chance too).

Dangerous to whom? And if they aimed at his arm, so what if they missed?
Nobody but him was going to get hurt.

If you can't hit someone in the shoulder from that range with a modern high quality rifle, you shouldn't call yourself a marksman.
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[Xamonas Chegwé]

What do you think happens when you get hit in the shoulder with a bullet? Do you think it's like TV, where the hero's mate just goes, "It's OK. Just a flesh wound. You go after them"?

There is a huge fucking artery running through the shoulder into the arm, nick that and the guy will probably bleed out before you can get a team with a stretcher in to him - especially when you have to contend with the fact that he is still alive, still armed and most likely a tad angrier and less willing to cooperate than he was a minute ago!

[Robert_S]

Because who wants go into a building to rescue a wounded lawyer with a shotgun?

Also, it's a fucking lawyer for fucks sake, if you don't finish them off they'll sue the fuck out of you when they get out of the hospital.

[mistermack]

Where does it say that the shotgun was firing pellets? How do you know he wasn't using slugs? He was unstable, why should anyone believe him if he says he's only a danger to himself?

They knew exactly what they were dealing with. They had five hours to question his family. And he'd already sprayed some empty buildings opposite with pellets.
You really would like to dodge the question, wouldn't you.
I'm asking why shoot to kill, in circumstances when you can shoot to wound, especially as they make so many fuckin mistakes anyway.

The point I'm making is that their training is framed by military procedures, not civilian. Police should not be working to the same rules. It's about time they ditched all the brain-dead macho stuff, and matched the training to the civilian world.
Read what the coroner said.

[Pappa]

Because who wants go into a building to rescue a wounded lawyer with a shotgun?

Also, it's a fucking lawyer for fucks sake, if you don't finish them off they'll sue the fuck out of you when they get out of the hospital.

[mistermack]

What do you think happens when you get hit in the shoulder with a bullet? Do you think it's like TV, where the hero's mate just goes, "It's OK. Just a flesh wound. You go after them"?

There is a huge fucking artery running through the shoulder into the arm, nick that and the guy will probably bleed out before you can get a team with a stretcher in to him - especially when you have to contend with the fact that he is still alive, still armed and most likely a tad angrier and less willing to cooperate than he was a minute ago!

That's all a bit self contradictory. He's going to be dead and dangerous?
How come you can work all that out? You shoot him and see what happens.
They had a hundred armed officers. They could easily have one with less lethal ammo.
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[mistermack]

Because who wants go into a building to rescue a wounded lawyer with a shotgun?

Also, it's a fucking lawyer for fucks sake, if you don't finish them off they'll sue the fuck out of you when they get out of the hospital.

Fuck me, where's Clint Eastwood when you need him.
He would call his boss an asshole, run upstairs, kick the door in and give the guy a couple of slaps.
The shotgun wasn't loaded when the guy got shot anyway.
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[Pappa]

The shotgun wasn't loaded when the guy got shot anyway.

How could the police know that?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Anyone who thinks it's easy to shoot to wound is invited to go hunting with me. We'll start on opposites sides of a patch of woods I know near here. The one who comes out wins!

You're determined to make me start a sad list. I'm not falling for it.
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You think I'd care one way or the other. You put me on your foe list, I can talk about you and you can't see it. I love that idea.

[mistermack]

The shotgun wasn't loaded when the guy got shot anyway.

How could the police know that?

They couldn't. But that wouldn't worry dirty Harry. These London cops are too worried about health and safety.
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[mistermack]

Anyone who thinks it's easy to shoot to wound is invited to go hunting with me. We'll start on opposites sides of a patch of woods I know near here. The one who comes out wins!

You're determined to make me start a sad list. I'm not falling for it.
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You think I'd care one way or the other. You put me on your foe list, I can talk about you and you can't see it. I love that idea.

You truly are a sad individual. But I'm beginning to feel sorry for you now.
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[Gawdzilla Sama]

Anyone who thinks it's easy to shoot to wound is invited to go hunting with me. We'll start on opposites sides of a patch of woods I know near here. The one who comes out wins!

You're determined to make me start a sad list. I'm not falling for it.
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You think I'd care one way or the other. You put me on your foe list, I can talk about you and you can't see it. I love that idea.

You truly are a sad individual. But I'm beginning to feel sorry for you now.
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Please do, you'll be even funnier that way.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

What do you think happens when you get hit in the shoulder with a bullet? Do you think it's like TV, where the hero's mate just goes, "It's OK. Just a flesh wound. You go after them"?

There is a huge fucking artery running through the shoulder into the arm, nick that and the guy will probably bleed out before you can get a team with a stretcher in to him - especially when you have to contend with the fact that he is still alive, still armed and most likely a tad angrier and less willing to cooperate than he was a minute ago!

That's all a bit self contradictory. He's going to be dead and dangerous?
How come you can work all that out? You shoot him and see what happens.
They had a hundred armed officers. They could easily have one with less lethal ammo.
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Not contradictory at all. You shoot the guy 'in the shoulder' and he is not in the window anymore. Now is he: -
a) Fatally wounded with only a few minutes before he is dead?
b) Badly wounded but still conscious, angry as fuck, waiting for the first copper to come through the door and likley to be extremely dangerous for several minutes - perhaps an hour or more - before passing out through lack of blood?
c) Barely scratched, in a murderous rage but too canny to poke his head up at the window again?

You are the guy that has to go find out. You choose.

[mistermack]

Please do, you'll be even funnier that way.

I do. You've made me feel guilty now. I ain't talkin to you no more.
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[mistermack]

You are the guy that has to go find out. You choose.

I'd send in a dog with a video camera.
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