A list of products that still employ animal testing

[Animavore]

Even if we value one animal at '5' humans, more humans would be at risk from an untested drug released on to the market than animals through testing.

I don't value animals at any level of human.
Did you ever hear that thought experiment about the hamsters and human and which do you save? Like, would you save 5 hamsters over one human? How about a thousand? ten thousand? At which point do you save the hamster?
My answer is at no point. I would let a million hamsters plummet into a ravine to save one human. Same goes for dogs, cats, elephants and horses.

Unless the I know the human and know that he is scum. Then I'll safe one hamster and if anyone asks I'll say I didn't even notice him until it was too late.

[Feck]

The protocol for doing LD 50 test is well known do you think they test 3 mice FFS. I've done LD 50's at University !

The tests are done as an easy and quick way to give a nice result that can be used in courts if they are sued ! the costs of LD tests are very little compared to the marketing costs for a new product or the potential loss of a court case .
I'm not against all animal testing but it is over used and over relied upon .And to say that my expressed knowledge about this in some way means that children are going to die from untested drugs is a Strawman .
You could say (if we are going to play with strawmen) then the acceptance of animal testing has set the search for immortal cell lines back down the list of research priorities and as animal testing will never be as reliable as testing on human cells that it has cost lives .

[Trolldor]

As I said, if there is no demonstrable benefit to the company then they wouldn't be doing the testing. If they do the testing to stop themselves from being sued, then either the public is excessively litigous or this testing is helping to ensure a safe product is being released on to the market.

[Feck]

As I said, if there is no demonstrable benefit to the company then they wouldn't be doing the testing. If they do the testing to stop themselves from being sued, then either the public is excessively litigous or this testing is helping to ensure a safe product is being released on to the market.

So why do some companies NOT test on animals then ?......there are more and more ways to test new chemicals and products and they are gradually replacing the old tests but there is still a lot of inertia keeping things done the old way ,and one of the reasons this is allowed is that the companies trot out the same strawmen as you have today.and yes the public is litigous and yes courts and jurors want a nice simple number like an LD 50 that they can understand

[Trolldor]

A company will do what saves them more money.
If some companies don't test, then either there are pre-existing tests they can rely on or the cost of a law suit is less expensive than the testing.

[ScholasticSpastic]

I would advise anyone who's boycotting products which employed animal testing in their development or implementation to avoid all medical technologies. All of them. Then send them to me because I'm a 'Merkin and we can't afford those here.


grumble, grumble, fuckin' wingnuts, grumble.....

[beige]

Kleenex on the list?

Do they give rabbits the sniffles and wait to see if they don't get sore noses when they wipe them or something?

[Robert_S]

Windex?

What the fuck?

[Sælir]

Kleenex on the list?

Do they give rabbits the sniffles and wait to see if they don't get sore noses when they wipe them or something?

[Clinton Huxley]

Playtex

[Azathoth]

I would advise anyone who's boycotting products which employed animal testing in their development or implementation to avoid all medical technologies. All of them.

[maiforpeace]

I would advise anyone who's boycotting products which employed animal testing in their development or implementation to avoid all medical technologies. All of them.

Not all the testing on animals is for medical technologies. What's wrong with at least being selective, and trying to reduce the amount of animal testing? Does that make people who avoid cosmetics or windex, for example, hypocrites as long as they partake of medical technologies?

Windex?

What the fuck?

Make your own. It's easy.

1/4 cup ammonia
1 cup rubbing alcohol
2 qts water
a few drops of liquid dishwashing soap

[Coito ergo sum]

Well, animal testing is necessary. For example, herceptin treatments for breast cancer in women required animal testing, and the treatment of diabetes through insulin injections was discovered and refined through animal testing (dogs). Animal testing reduces the need for human experimentation and saves human lives.

[Coito ergo sum]

Windex?

What the fuck?

Make your own. It's easy.

1/4 cup ammonia
1 cup rubbing alcohol
2 qts water
a few drops of liquid dishwashing soap

Does it wipe off the mirrors/windows easily?

[maiforpeace]

Windex?

What the fuck?

Make your own. It's easy.

1/4 cup ammonia
1 cup rubbing alcohol
2 qts water
a few drops of liquid dishwashing soap

Does it wipe off the mirrors/windows easily?

Just like windex. That's what the addition of the alcohol does. It's essentially the same ingredients as windex, minus scent and color.