Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia

[oblivion]

Higgs what do you think of Denny's plan ?

anD yes you were meant to protect the vig !

What is it? Lynch me, have galls protect denny and denny view galls? First pass, it's not too bad of an idea, if denny views as doc then I would think oblivion is the don. Are we pretty sure that a protect would come before a nk?

denny views as DOC? You mean Galls views as town?

I don't like the idea of lynching higgs over Galls. If Galls' story added up I'd feel differently. While the claimed doc is in the game, we can't discount a don and every view just adds to the list of possible dons, not to cleared town.

If galls is town though we'd prolly lose our seer with no view. Not that it puts us in much of a different position. You were really, really sure I was scum. Is this really big enough to change your mind about that?

read what I said above. The main reason I went after you last night/today was because I suspected galls was the seer and had viewed you. "tells" plus what looked like an incredibly ham-handed attempt to indicate her view before the NKs went through.

[higgs2]

Well sure it's simple, but it was not really necessary in either situation. More so if she's real doc, to show that there's a possibility of a don. But there was no suspicion on her, and now there is.

[higgs2]

gotta go, back later. I think we prolly need to lynch galls.

[Feck]

That's the thing because i think Lynching Higgs will end up leaving Totals Oblivion Denny and Feck ( if scum get gallstones)

if we lynch Gallstones we are left with Totals oblivion and Higgs Feck (if scum get Denny )

Assuming that Denny is cleared and I know I'm town then ! lynching higgs tonight is better because the scum must then be be totals or oblivion

If we lynch Gallstones we are left with Feck Higgs Totals and oblivion if Higgs dies it's a 1/2 if Higgs lives it's 1/3 I have to choose from

if denny gets Nk'd tonight Gallstones is the scum and we win


If we lynch you Higgs I think we get denny alive tomorrow (or we know Gallstones is scum )

If we lynch Gallstones denny will be NK'd and the last 4 players will not have one cleared player to exclude


No I don't believe Gallstones but I have been wrong Before ..She is toast anyway as I see it Unless scum decide to leave her even then we still have Denny alive on the last day to reduce the odds .


if we are wrong then it is slightly better to have been wrong and have lynched Higgs rather than Gallstones but i'm much more convinced that Gallstones is scum

[oblivion]

Okay, what is a doctor's role usually like in zigmen's games?

Also, I'm trying to figure out how this all fits in with the doctor's gone swimming hope he comes back thing? If gallstone's telling the truth, then I can kind of see how the comment makes sense. Although it's hard to believe that story.

In the boy band game, Twinkie was able to protect the same player again later in the game.

How is that relevent here?

Missed this. Galls said the reason she didn't want to tell who her protections were was that scum would know they could kill her tonight.

Also what do you think about the thing with the doc going swimming?

I don't know what to think. If it means the doc forgot to put in a protection, then that completely contradicts Galls' story about night 1 (that isn't holding much water anyway).

Maybe it's just flavor. If it's not, then the only 2 ways I see to interpret it mean Galls is not the doctor.

[oblivion]

Galls' whole mishmash stinks. if she's the doc she should protect denny. period. who cares if she can protect herself or not. It's the same crappy logic about protecting herself instead of Charlou.

She's not trying to get town to a win. She's trying to survive.

[Feck]

Yep I agree I'm happy to be slightly worse off and without her if I'm wrong .

[DennyB]

What if Gall is doc, Higgs is town (doubt it), and Ob is the Don.
With this plan town will lose

[oblivion]

That's the thing because i think Lynching Higgs will end up leaving Totals Oblivion Denny and Feck ( if scum get gallstones)

if we lynch Gallstones we are left with Totals oblivion and Higgs Feck (if scum get Denny )

Assuming that Denny is cleared and I know I'm town then ! lynching higgs tonight is better because the scum must then be be totals or oblivion

If we lynch Gallstones we are left with Feck Higgs Totals and oblivion if Higgs dies it's a 1/2 if Higgs lives it's 1/3 I have to choose from

if denny gets Nk'd tonight Gallstones is the scum and we win


If we lynch you Higgs I think we get denny alive tomorrow (or we know Gallstones is scum )

If we lynch Gallstones denny will be NK'd and the last 4 players will not have one cleared player to exclude


No I don't believe Gallstones but I have been wrong Before ..She is toast anyway as I see it Unless scum decide to leave her even then we still have Denny alive on the last day to reduce the odds .


if we are wrong then it is slightly better to have been wrong and have lynched Higgs rather than Gallstones but i'm much more convinced that Gallstones is scum

If we do this, then we need to very clearly lay out the alternatives for whoever survives to tomorrow. Because killing higgs removes a player who can probably figure out the options that any night 3 scenario may indicate. And most likely another experienced player will die to night if both denny and galls survive.

Let's look at that option:

denny - views galls as town
galls lives

Of totals, you and me, I'm betting you or I will be the kill. If you are town, it might be you because "why is oblivion still alive?" is exploitable. We still won't know if we can discount a don, and we will have possibly two don candidates to figure out - me and galls

So, we'll be left trying to figure out if galls is alive because she's scum or because she's wifom. And same with me. denny and totals will have to sort that out. But, it's possible my extra half vote would make me the best kill - and then it's "why is feck still alive?"

If we kill galls and she's the doc, then we have to consider a don and we have to treat both higgs and me as potential dons. And tonight's NK becomes very informative. Killing denny doesn't protect a don from a view, so hes' no threat from that perspective. If the NK is you or totals it means the final scum is trying to get to endgame with as many suspected dons as possible.

Which scenario makes it easiest for town tomorrow? I'm not sure. They all look like really tough endgames.

Which lynch option today has the highest likelihood of ending the game today? I *think* it's Galls.

[oblivion]

What if Gall is doc, Higgs is town (doubt it), and Ob is the Don.
With this plan town will lose

The thing I worry about most is me still being in the game at endgame because I think I'll be lynched and town will lose.

If it will work better for endgame, lynch me today.

[oblivion]

but realize you could hand the mayors .5 vote to scum. Think very hard on that tomorrow.

[oblivion]

What if Gall is doc, Higgs is town (doubt it), and Ob is the Don.
With this plan town will lose

The thing I worry about most is me still being in the game at endgame because I think I'll be lynched and town will lose.

If it will work better for endgame, lynch me today.

This is at the root of me wanting to lynch galls today. I think town will win and I don't have to worry about mounting a superhuman defense tomorrow.

[DennyB]

After reading the first couple of pages again I'm a little less sure about higgs. Higgs and Ob are close.
I would love to hear more from totals again.
At this point I don't have a problem lynching gall.
Frankly the only cleared players are dead or me.
I have a real tough time reading Feck and Ob.

[Feck]

That's the thing because i think Lynching Higgs will end up leaving Totals Oblivion Denny and Feck ( if scum get gallstones)

if we lynch Gallstones we are left with Totals oblivion and Higgs Feck (if scum get Denny )

Assuming that Denny is cleared and I know I'm town then ! lynching higgs tonight is better because the scum must then be be totals or oblivion

If we lynch Gallstones we are left with Feck Higgs Totals and oblivion if Higgs dies it's a 1/2 if Higgs lives it's 1/3 I have to choose from

if denny gets Nk'd tonight Gallstones is the scum and we win


If we lynch you Higgs I think we get denny alive tomorrow (or we know Gallstones is scum )

If we lynch Gallstones denny will be NK'd and the last 4 players will not have one cleared player to exclude


No I don't believe Gallstones but I have been wrong Before ..She is toast anyway as I see it Unless scum decide to leave her even then we still have Denny alive on the last day to reduce the odds .


if we are wrong then it is slightly better to have been wrong and have lynched Higgs rather than Gallstones but i'm much more convinced that Gallstones is scum

If we do this, then we need to very clearly lay out the alternatives for whoever survives to tomorrow. Because killing higgs removes a player who can probably figure out the options that any night 3 scenario may indicate. And most likely another experienced player will die to night if both denny and galls survive.

Let's look at that option:

denny - views galls as town
galls lives

Of totals, you and me, I'm betting you or I will be the kill. If you are town, it might be you because "why is oblivion still alive?" is exploitable. We still won't know if we can discount a don, and we will have possibly two don candidates to figure out - me and galls

So, we'll be left trying to figure out if galls is alive because she's scum or because she's wifom. And same with me. denny and totals will have to sort that out. But, it's possible my extra half vote would make me the best kill - and then it's "why is feck still alive?"

If we kill galls and she's the doc, then we have to consider a don and we have to treat both higgs and me as potential dons. And tonight's NK becomes very informative. Killing denny doesn't protect a don from a view, so hes' no threat from that perspective. If the NK is you or totals it means the final scum is trying to get to endgame with as many suspected dons as possible.

Which scenario makes it easiest for town tomorrow? I'm not sure. They all look like really tough endgames.



Which lynch option today has the highest likelihood of ending the game today? I *think* it's Galls.

end games with Denny alive are better for Town as he is cleared (so he would beNk'd if scum can )that's why it would be slightly better to lynch Higgs (or you ) tonight vote Denny as Mayor and take a chance that Denny and I and the other town player make the right choice for the lynch tomorrow

If we leave Gallstones to protect Denny he cannot be killed unless gallstones is the last scum .
if Denny survives the night we have 3 suspects if he dies we have 4suspects it would be better to have Denny alive and have him be Mayor so our best chance for tomorrow would be to lynch you .BUT if we lynch Gallstones tonight I think it ends .

[oblivion]

After reading the first couple of pages again I'm a little less sure about higgs. Higgs and Ob are close.
I would love to hear more from totals again.
At this point I don't have a problem lynching gall.
Frankly the only cleared players are dead or me.
I have a real tough time reading Feck and Ob.

If higgs is lynched and galls dies tonight then I can pretty much guarantee that I will be tomorrow's lynch. And town will lose.

I suspect it will work out the same way for higgs if I am today's lynch.

If the final scum isn't galls, or higgs (or me), then town is going to lose.

I can't come up with an endgame that eliminates that problem. If scum is one of Feck or totals, I think scum will win this game.