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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by higgs2 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:13 pm

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higgs2 wrote:So after all this does anyone have an opinion about totals? He hasn't posted enough for me to be able to tell. It would be remarkable to have picked scum with our first two bw's, but not unheard of.

ghat, what is the deal with you and gall?

feck, do you have any thoughts? What is your sense about oblivion?

:fp: There is no deal. Why does this rumor persist?

I trusted Charlou and she was on the level.
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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by oblivion » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:15 pm

Gallstones wrote:
higgs2 wrote:So after all this does anyone have an opinion about totals? He hasn't posted enough for me to be able to tell. It would be remarkable to have picked scum with our first two bw's, but not unheard of.

ghat, what is the deal with you and gall?

feck, do you have any thoughts? What is your sense about oblivion?

:fp: There is no deal. Why does this rumor persist?

I trusted Charlou and she was on the level.
There is a deal. I'd like to know why Ghat has FoSed you. I thought you looked scummy yesterday, but it was in part based on my read of Charlou. Jury's still out. I have some review to do.

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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by oblivion » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:17 pm

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higgs2 wrote:<snip>

Saw that morticia did a little defense of feck back there, but not enough to be blatant.

<snip>.

Okay, I missed this. Before morticias abovementioned defense of feck, she said "What I think so far is that Oblivion, Feck and Ghat are most likely town." I don't know her play or level. How likely would she be to try to "help" scumbuddies. Would she be likely to mention a person or two she knows is town and add a scumbuddy? All three of them can't be scum or we'd have too many scum, I believe. But I bet one of them is.
I mentored her a little in her first game (she was scum), and pointed her in the direction of JA's write-up to town in the Spooks game as well as the mafiascum site.

I'm not sure if she'd add a scum player to that list. But it's definitely worth considering.

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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by Gallstones » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:25 pm

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Gallstones wrote:
higgs2 wrote:So after all this does anyone have an opinion about totals? He hasn't posted enough for me to be able to tell. It would be remarkable to have picked scum with our first two bw's, but not unheard of.

ghat, what is the deal with you and gall?

feck, do you have any thoughts? What is your sense about oblivion?

:fp: There is no deal. Why does this rumor persist?

I trusted Charlou and she was on the level.
There is a deal. I'd like to know why Ghat has FoSed you. I thought you looked scummy yesterday, but it was in part based on my read of Charlou. Jury's still out. I have some review to do.

Let's get this over with. Ghat why have you FoSed me?

As far as I am aware you (oblivion) are the one who keeps planting the idea that I am suspicious. If you are scum that is a good tactic; if you are town it could prove regrettable if acted on.
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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by Feck » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:36 pm

higgs2 wrote:So after all this does anyone have an opinion about totals? He hasn't posted enough for me to be able to tell. It would be remarkable to have picked scum with our first two bw's, but not unheard of.

ghat, what is the deal with you and gall?

feck, do you have any thoughts? What is your sense about oblivion?
MMMM Oblivion has been wrong with every post ,maybe an off day or maybe not on our side ? the way lots of people jumped at the chance to lynch totals rather than morticia rings alarm bells .Why as the wagon was started on morticia would certain people then go and start a wagon on Totals ? there was no good reason to suspect Totals more than Morticia ? would some one like to check if it was the same people who then changed their votes to charlou ? (yeah I know I'm guilty there too ,but I was asleep when she had to out herself ). If we have a seer then I would love for Oblivion to be viewed (that's why I voted her for Mayor ).
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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by Gallstones » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:38 pm

Losing Charlou is a blow. That has gone unremarked upon by those of you most active at pointing fingers.
I think the reason for that is because it was a coup for you and you don't want to give the appearance of celebrating.
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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by Gallstones » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:40 pm

If oblivion is the scum boss she will show up as innocent. So we can't trust a view on her.
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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by Gallstones » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:42 pm

I think it is worth the risk of getting another town by voting for oblivion. Because if she is not town she is probably not just scum, but the scum boss.
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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by higgs2 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:49 pm

There is no reason to think that if oblivion is scum she is the don at this point. If she has been viewed town I imagine the seer will keep quiet so as not to inadvertantly out her/him self. I would trust a town view on her now a lot more than one on her several days from now.

Gall, your description of losing Charlou as a coup is different. A coup for whom? Were you surprised that she was a scum kill?
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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by oblivion » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:50 pm

Here are the posts Gallstones made that bothered me yesterday:
Gallstones wrote:I think the day ends in 2 hours, going by when the day started. It will be 2200 my time. I have ton head out now for a couple hours. Do we need to lynch someone today? How about we not and wait until some night actions have gone on and we have some info?
Terrible advice for town. The only situation in which passing up a lynch benefits town is at a 4-1 endgame. Mafiascum.net article: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=No_lynch
It has been argued that in the early stages of the game, if it is known that the Mafia has fewer members than the town, it can be a valid tactic, for those with a good knowledge of math at least, to let the night phase go and handle investigations. For example, if it is known that there are 15 Town and 4 Mafia, the odds of lynching a townie on day one with limited information are much higher, therefore giving an extra kill to the Mafia. However, this is not the case. Voting No Lynch in the early game causes the town to lose one possible lynch, so instead of having 3 chances to find the mafia, they only have 2 chances.
Inexperienced town players sometimes suggest no lynch on day 1. I'm under the impression that Gallstones has some experience at this game.

This one just seemed like a weird reaction, like she didn't want to be mayor but didn't want to be too negative about it:
Gallstones wrote:
DennyB wrote:
oblivion wrote:
DennyB wrote:Not sure when today ends so for now:

Vote Gallstones

Vote Feck
Why Gallstones for mayor?

Feck is something of a default vote at Ratz. Playing it safe?
I thought that Gall does not have alot of input most times and if se were to be viewed it may weed out a scum player early without them hanging on till the end. Whaddya think? good idea?

Feck seems to be quiet on the past few games and I was dead wrong about him last game.

Unvote Feck
Do what y'all think best.
Then she discouraged day 1 lynch again. It was after this post that I fosed her because "hating the crapshoot" is a form of "I'm afraid we'll lynch town so I don't want to vote", etc.:
Gallstones wrote:
oblivion wrote:I just set up my patented spreadsheet.

People who have not lynchvoted:
totals, morticia, gallstones, Charlou, Normal

People who have not mayorvoted:
totals, feck, mononoke, morticia, ghat, oblivion

That means totals and morticia have not committed votes of any sort. I think they both made one post so far.
I really hate voting to lynch on day one as it is a crapshoot. I prefer to wait for some information to come out first.
Later in the day 1 thread she comes off very defensive. she seemed more worried about defending against some foses than about the craziness going on with Charlou's out and the vote mania that set off.

All of this could be more about the environments where she usually plays mafia than about her alignment, though. And this is the first game I've played with her, so I'd like to hear from people who have played more games with her.

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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by oblivion » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:52 pm

Feck wrote:
higgs2 wrote:So after all this does anyone have an opinion about totals? He hasn't posted enough for me to be able to tell. It would be remarkable to have picked scum with our first two bw's, but not unheard of.

ghat, what is the deal with you and gall?

feck, do you have any thoughts? What is your sense about oblivion?
MMMM Oblivion has been wrong with every post ,maybe an off day or maybe not on our side ? the way lots of people jumped at the chance to lynch totals rather than morticia rings alarm bells .Why as the wagon was started on morticia would certain people then go and start a wagon on Totals ? there was no good reason to suspect Totals more than Morticia ? would some one like to check if it was the same people who then changed their votes to charlou ? (yeah I know I'm guilty there too ,but I was asleep when she had to out herself ). If we have a seer then I would love for Oblivion to be viewed (that's why I voted her for Mayor ).
heh. you think I wouldn't bus a teammate if I were scum? You think I'd be so blatant as to start a bandwagon on another player instead?

You wound me sir! :lay:

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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by higgs2 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:59 pm

Does gall play at rational skepticism? Because they inexplicably have an extreme aversion to lynching day one. Damndest thing I've ever seen.
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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by oblivion » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:05 pm

higgs2 wrote:Does gall play at rational skepticism? Because they inexplicably have an extreme aversion to lynching day one. Damndest thing I've ever seen.
That could explain a thing or two...

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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by Feck » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:07 pm

oblivion wrote:
Feck wrote:
higgs2 wrote:So after all this does anyone have an opinion about totals? He hasn't posted enough for me to be able to tell. It would be remarkable to have picked scum with our first two bw's, but not unheard of.

ghat, what is the deal with you and gall?

feck, do you have any thoughts? What is your sense about oblivion?
MMMM Oblivion has been wrong with every post ,maybe an off day or maybe not on our side ? the way lots of people jumped at the chance to lynch totals rather than morticia rings alarm bells .Why as the wagon was started on morticia would certain people then go and start a wagon on Totals ? there was no good reason to suspect Totals more than Morticia ? would some one like to check if it was the same people who then changed their votes to charlou ? (yeah I know I'm guilty there too ,but I was asleep when she had to out herself ). If we have a seer then I would love for Oblivion to be viewed (that's why I voted her for Mayor ).
heh. you think I wouldn't bus a teammate if I were scum? You think I'd be so blatant as to start a bandwagon on another player instead?

You wound me sir! :lay:
Hey I was asked and i tend to Wifom a lot ! But this the way lots of people jumped at the chance to lynch totals rather than morticia rings alarm bells .Why as the wagon was started on morticia would certain people then go and start a wagon on Totals ? here was no good reason to suspect Totals more than Morticia ? Stands and does need some explaining ?
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Re: Boxer Vs. Briefs Mafia Day 2

Post by oblivion » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:15 pm

There was no reason to suspect either of them more than the other when I put my vote down. I didn't like that only one of the quiet players was getting pressure to participate and that's the sole reason why I started a competing bandwagon.

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