Why the UK police cant do their job properly

[NineBerry]

G20 protests: new video shows officers hitting out at protesters

A new film has come to light of police attacking protesters at the G20 demonstrations in London on April 1.

A police officer is seen delivering a forceful blow with his shield to the head of Alex Kinnane, a 24-year-old IT worker.

The video emerged as a third complaint about the policing of the protests was referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).

This is believed to involve an allegation of excessive force by police, in which a man, also in his 20s, claims he was hit on his head by an officer.

The IPCC is already investigating events leading up the death of newspaper seller Ian Tomlinson on April 1 and an allegation of an assault on protester Nicola Fisher on April 2.

The new film, which was posted on YouTube by representatives of the Climate Camp group, shows two other separate incidents not currently being investigated by the IPCC: Mr Kinnane being struck and an officer throwing a punch as a line of police try to push back demonstrators.

Mr Kinnane said: "I had turned around to go to someone who was screaming because they were being crushed when he reached out and hit me on my forehead with his shield."

The film has been included in a file detailing allegations of 10 serious assaults, which is to be passed to MPs by lawyers.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "This material has been passed to the Met's investigation team to make an assessment.

"The investigation team is currently assessing the material. If necessary it will be referred to the IPCC."

In a separate development, The Sunday Telegraph can also reveal that Sir Paul Stephenson, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, is said to be "furious" that officers have been on duty with their identification numbers concealed.

Sir Paul called two Assistant Commissioners to see him at his office in New Scotland Yard on Friday to vent his anger after photographs and video footage emerged of front line officers not showing their badge numbers. Sir Paul was angry that the rules were not enforced.

"They were given a real dressing down," said one senior source. "Sir Paul left them in no doubt about his concerns and the fact that they must stamp this out."

The Commissioner acted within hours of being urged to discipline uniformed officers from Britain's largest force who have defied orders to identify themselves.

Nick Hardwick, chairman of the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), also criticised the practice of hiding identification numbers.

"I think that raises serious concerns about the frontline supervision. Why was that happening? Why did the superviser not stop them? What does that say about what your state of mind is? You were expecting trouble?" he said.

"I think that is unacceptable. It is about being servants, not masters. The police are there as public servants."

Kit Malthouse, Boris Johnson's deputy mayor, called for those who fail to display their shoulder numbers to face disciplinary action.

Mr Malthouse said: "The policy of the Met Police is very clear. The public have the right to be able to identify any uniformed police officer and so badges should be worn at all times." Officers do not, however, have to give their names to members of the public.

Meanwhile, Ms Fisher, the woman was filmed being struck by a police sergeant, said the officer's actions had been "very violent and unnecessary".

Film footage showed an officer hitting Ms Fisher, 35, from Brighton, across the face with his hand and on her leg with a baton. "He just said 'get back', pushed me and then hit me across the face," she said.

Ms Fisher admits pushing the officer. The sergeant accused of striking Ms Fisher works for the Territorial Support Group and has been suspended from duty pending the IPCC inquiry.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... sters.html


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[charlou]

How long must we sing this song ...

[al-rawandi]

It would be nice to see such indignation from the regulars here when the genocidal Muslim supremacists gather to curse British soldiers. Or when they gather to both deny and support the Holocaust in anti-Semitic gatherings...

If you cared to look around a little you will find heaps of indignation regarding Islam (and any other religion for that matter) and the atrocities that people commit because of it. Likewise, you'll find that almost everyone regards the few holocaust deniers as a bunch of dangerous racist fucking nutcases. You seem to want to turn every thread into a campaign against muslims. Guess what? This thread is not about muslims. It is about a fucking psycho among the police service who took it upon himself to assault an innocent passer-by with fatal results. Please take your (albeit justified) obsession regarding Islamism to the appropriate topics, will you? While I agree with you regarding the dangers of Islamism and the lack of backbone by people who ought to know better to oppose them with words and deeds, your virtual carpet-bombing of any thread where you can see even the slightest opportunity to come riding in with your obsession is, to say the least, a derailment. Keep going like this, and I'll call it spamming and/or trolling.

These protesters NEED to be persecuted...

Please elaborate.

Thank you for the meaningless threat. I merely said I would prefer equanimity in the whining that is all.

As for "need to be persecuted" this protest was anti-Capitalist. The believers (leftists) at this type of thing are into identifying with victims, and the ultimate goal is to indeed become a victim. They invert reality, like the various leftists who traveled to Soviet Russia and Cuba to pronounce things like Soviet inmates actually wanted to remain in the jails, and that not a single dissident was imprisoned in Cuba. In this same way I pointed out Karen Wald demanding she be arrested at the sit in organized by Mario Savio in Berkeley. I can hardly think of a reason why some one would want to be arrested and incarcerated, particularly by police representing a state they so despise.

And again I noted that many leftists lamented the end of the Vietnam War (such as Bill Ayers). These are funny confessions coming from people who were supposedly against the war in the first place. The fact is that many of these protesters desire piles of bodies, they want to see a man like this whacked by the police because it justifies their self loathsome rage at the very society that has given them so much, yet from which they feel excluded.

The ironic thing is, the very state they are lambasting is the same one which will call this rogue officer to account for his crimes. And yes his assault on this man seems to be a crime. (To bring us back to the main point).

[Trolldor]

The law and state are never to be considered the same thing - once you've done that you open yourself to facism.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

It would be nice to see such indignation from the regulars here when the genocidal Muslim supremacists gather to curse British soldiers. Or when they gather to both deny and support the Holocaust in anti-Semitic gatherings...

If you cared to look around a little you will find heaps of indignation regarding Islam (and any other religion for that matter) and the atrocities that people commit because of it. Likewise, you'll find that almost everyone regards the few holocaust deniers as a bunch of dangerous racist fucking nutcases. You seem to want to turn every thread into a campaign against muslims. Guess what? This thread is not about muslims. It is about a fucking psycho among the police service who took it upon himself to assault an innocent passer-by with fatal results. Please take your (albeit justified) obsession regarding Islamism to the appropriate topics, will you? While I agree with you regarding the dangers of Islamism and the lack of backbone by people who ought to know better to oppose them with words and deeds, your virtual carpet-bombing of any thread where you can see even the slightest opportunity to come riding in with your obsession is, to say the least, a derailment. Keep going like this, and I'll call it spamming and/or trolling.

These protesters NEED to be persecuted...

Please elaborate.

Thank you for the meaningless threat. I merely said I would prefer equanimity in the whining that is all.

As for "need to be persecuted" this protest was anti-Capitalist. The believers (leftists) at this type of thing are into identifying with victims, and the ultimate goal is to indeed become a victim. They invert reality, like the various leftists who traveled to Soviet Russia and Cuba to pronounce things like Soviet inmates actually wanted to remain in the jails, and that not a single dissident was imprisoned in Cuba. In this same way I pointed out Karen Wald demanding she be arrested at the sit in organized by Mario Savio in Berkeley. I can hardly think of a reason why some one would want to be arrested and incarcerated, particularly by police representing a state they so despise.

And again I noted that many leftists lamented the end of the Vietnam War (such as Bill Ayers). These are funny confessions coming from people who were supposedly against the war in the first place. The fact is that many of these protesters desire piles of bodies, they want to see a man like this whacked by the police because it justifies their self loathsome rage at the very society that has given them so much, yet from which they feel excluded.

The ironic thing is, the very state they are lambasting is the same one which will call this rogue officer to account for his crimes. And yes his assault on this man seems to be a crime. (To bring us back to the main point).

No serious criticism - I just find it odd that someone that scored further left than I did (in fact, further left than Gandhi and the Dalai Lama) on the political compass test is lambasting 'leftists' so much. Do you mean 'other leftists'?

[al-rawandi]

It would be nice to see such indignation from the regulars here when the genocidal Muslim supremacists gather to curse British soldiers. Or when they gather to both deny and support the Holocaust in anti-Semitic gatherings...

If you cared to look around a little you will find heaps of indignation regarding Islam (and any other religion for that matter) and the atrocities that people commit because of it. Likewise, you'll find that almost everyone regards the few holocaust deniers as a bunch of dangerous racist fucking nutcases. You seem to want to turn every thread into a campaign against muslims. Guess what? This thread is not about muslims. It is about a fucking psycho among the police service who took it upon himself to assault an innocent passer-by with fatal results. Please take your (albeit justified) obsession regarding Islamism to the appropriate topics, will you? While I agree with you regarding the dangers of Islamism and the lack of backbone by people who ought to know better to oppose them with words and deeds, your virtual carpet-bombing of any thread where you can see even the slightest opportunity to come riding in with your obsession is, to say the least, a derailment. Keep going like this, and I'll call it spamming and/or trolling.

These protesters NEED to be persecuted...

Please elaborate.

Thank you for the meaningless threat. I merely said I would prefer equanimity in the whining that is all.

As for "need to be persecuted" this protest was anti-Capitalist. The believers (leftists) at this type of thing are into identifying with victims, and the ultimate goal is to indeed become a victim. They invert reality, like the various leftists who traveled to Soviet Russia and Cuba to pronounce things like Soviet inmates actually wanted to remain in the jails, and that not a single dissident was imprisoned in Cuba. In this same way I pointed out Karen Wald demanding she be arrested at the sit in organized by Mario Savio in Berkeley. I can hardly think of a reason why some one would want to be arrested and incarcerated, particularly by police representing a state they so despise.

And again I noted that many leftists lamented the end of the Vietnam War (such as Bill Ayers). These are funny confessions coming from people who were supposedly against the war in the first place. The fact is that many of these protesters desire piles of bodies, they want to see a man like this whacked by the police because it justifies their self loathsome rage at the very society that has given them so much, yet from which they feel excluded.

The ironic thing is, the very state they are lambasting is the same one which will call this rogue officer to account for his crimes. And yes his assault on this man seems to be a crime. (To bring us back to the main point).

No serious criticism - I just find it odd that someone that scored further left than I did (in fact, further left than Gandhi and the Dalai Lama) on the political compass test is lambasting 'leftists' so much. Do you mean 'other leftists'?

These leftists who go to protests fail miserably at being leftists. For instance how many leftists heaped praise on Castro?

Harry Belafonte: "If you believe in freedom, if you believe in democracy, if you believe in justice, you must support Castro"
Norman Mailer: "He is the greatest hero since WWII"
It goes on an on. The funny thing is that rights for homosexuals is a major cause of leftists like myself, and even my guess the above useful idiots. But what did Castro do to gays? Put them in concentration camps? How did liberals react??? A leading Sandinista said that these concentration camps must be like a paradise for the homosexual because he gets to be around so many gay people.

The same goes for the rampant support for Iran that is found in leftist circles. The same Iran that hangs gays from cranes. All the same went for those leftists who went to Vietnam to show their support for the miserable Hanoi regime whilst it murdered all the Trotskyists it could get its hands on. In fact cleansing nearly 85% of local "leftist" groups (comprised mostly of Trotskyists seeking a decent life).

I support almost every leftist cause... which means I actually support it, everywhere, not just domestically as part of some self loathing need to ridicule my own society, and then abandoning the cause when some Communist tyrant does the same elsewhere. Leftist politics is serious to me. These protesters aren't leftists, they are charlatans. Horrible self loathing traitors to everything decent about leftism.

[al-rawandi]

It would be nice to see such indignation from the regulars here when the genocidal Muslim supremacists gather to curse British soldiers. Or when they gather to both deny and support the Holocaust in anti-Semitic gatherings...

If you cared to look around a little you will find heaps of indignation regarding Islam (and any other religion for that matter) and the atrocities that people commit because of it. Likewise, you'll find that almost everyone regards the few holocaust deniers as a bunch of dangerous racist fucking nutcases. You seem to want to turn every thread into a campaign against muslims. Guess what? This thread is not about muslims. It is about a fucking psycho among the police service who took it upon himself to assault an innocent passer-by with fatal results. Please take your (albeit justified) obsession regarding Islamism to the appropriate topics, will you? While I agree with you regarding the dangers of Islamism and the lack of backbone by people who ought to know better to oppose them with words and deeds, your virtual carpet-bombing of any thread where you can see even the slightest opportunity to come riding in with your obsession is, to say the least, a derailment. Keep going like this, and I'll call it spamming and/or trolling.

These protesters NEED to be persecuted...

Please elaborate.

Thank you for the meaningless threat. I merely said I would prefer equanimity in the whining that is all.

As for "need to be persecuted" this protest was anti-Capitalist. The believers (leftists) at this type of thing are into identifying with victims, and the ultimate goal is to indeed become a victim. They invert reality, like the various leftists who traveled to Soviet Russia and Cuba to pronounce things like Soviet inmates actually wanted to remain in the jails, and that not a single dissident was imprisoned in Cuba. In this same way I pointed out Karen Wald demanding she be arrested at the sit in organized by Mario Savio in Berkeley. I can hardly think of a reason why some one would want to be arrested and incarcerated, particularly by police representing a state they so despise.

And again I noted that many leftists lamented the end of the Vietnam War (such as Bill Ayers). These are funny confessions coming from people who were supposedly against the war in the first place. The fact is that many of these protesters desire piles of bodies, they want to see a man like this whacked by the police because it justifies their self loathsome rage at the very society that has given them so much, yet from which they feel excluded.

The ironic thing is, the very state they are lambasting is the same one which will call this rogue officer to account for his crimes. And yes his assault on this man seems to be a crime. (To bring us back to the main point).

No serious criticism - I just find it odd that someone that scored further left than I did (in fact, further left than Gandhi and the Dalai Lama) on the political compass test is lambasting 'leftists' so much. Do you mean 'other leftists'?

Also to clarify... I said that these leftists also crave death and destruction, which I do not. I mentioned Bill Ayers there, I should also mention Jerry Rubin who said "had there not been a Vietnam War we would have invented one, had it ended we would have found a new one". It is a fucking cult of death, they are disgusting, issuing every apologetic for evil regimes who busy themselves with slaughter so long as they oppose the loathed native nation (US or Britain).

[Xamonas Chegwé]

It would be nice to see such indignation from the regulars here when the genocidal Muslim supremacists gather to curse British soldiers. Or when they gather to both deny and support the Holocaust in anti-Semitic gatherings...

If you cared to look around a little you will find heaps of indignation regarding Islam (and any other religion for that matter) and the atrocities that people commit because of it. Likewise, you'll find that almost everyone regards the few holocaust deniers as a bunch of dangerous racist fucking nutcases. You seem to want to turn every thread into a campaign against muslims. Guess what? This thread is not about muslims. It is about a fucking psycho among the police service who took it upon himself to assault an innocent passer-by with fatal results. Please take your (albeit justified) obsession regarding Islamism to the appropriate topics, will you? While I agree with you regarding the dangers of Islamism and the lack of backbone by people who ought to know better to oppose them with words and deeds, your virtual carpet-bombing of any thread where you can see even the slightest opportunity to come riding in with your obsession is, to say the least, a derailment. Keep going like this, and I'll call it spamming and/or trolling.

These protesters NEED to be persecuted...

Please elaborate.

Thank you for the meaningless threat. I merely said I would prefer equanimity in the whining that is all.

As for "need to be persecuted" this protest was anti-Capitalist. The believers (leftists) at this type of thing are into identifying with victims, and the ultimate goal is to indeed become a victim. They invert reality, like the various leftists who traveled to Soviet Russia and Cuba to pronounce things like Soviet inmates actually wanted to remain in the jails, and that not a single dissident was imprisoned in Cuba. In this same way I pointed out Karen Wald demanding she be arrested at the sit in organized by Mario Savio in Berkeley. I can hardly think of a reason why some one would want to be arrested and incarcerated, particularly by police representing a state they so despise.

And again I noted that many leftists lamented the end of the Vietnam War (such as Bill Ayers). These are funny confessions coming from people who were supposedly against the war in the first place. The fact is that many of these protesters desire piles of bodies, they want to see a man like this whacked by the police because it justifies their self loathsome rage at the very society that has given them so much, yet from which they feel excluded.

The ironic thing is, the very state they are lambasting is the same one which will call this rogue officer to account for his crimes. And yes his assault on this man seems to be a crime. (To bring us back to the main point).

No serious criticism - I just find it odd that someone that scored further left than I did (in fact, further left than Gandhi and the Dalai Lama) on the political compass test is lambasting 'leftists' so much. Do you mean 'other leftists'?

These leftists who go to protests fail miserably at being leftists. For instance how many leftists heaped praise on Castro?

Harry Belafonte: "If you believe in freedom, if you believe in democracy, if you believe in justice, you must support Castro"
Norman Mailer: "He is the greatest hero since WWII"
It goes on an on. The funny thing is that rights for homosexuals is a major cause of leftists like myself, and even my guess the above useful idiots. But what did Castro do to gays? Put them in concentration camps? How did liberals react??? A leading Sandinista said that these concentration camps must be like a paradise for the homosexual because he gets to be around so many gay people.

The same goes for the rampant support for Iran that is found in leftist circles. The same Iran that hangs gays from cranes. All the same went for those leftists who went to Vietnam to show their support for the miserable Hanoi regime whilst it murdered all the Trotskyists it could get its hands on. In fact cleansing nearly 85% of local "leftist" groups (comprised mostly of Trotskyists seeking a decent life).

I support almost every leftist cause... which means I actually support it, everywhere, not just domestically as part of some self loathing need to ridicule my own society, and then abandoning the cause when some Communist tyrant does the same elsewhere. Leftist politics is serious to me. These protesters aren't leftists, they are charlatans. Horrible self loathing traitors to everything decent about leftism.

I think that states your point of view pretty clearly. A bad choice of terms then. You meant so-called-leftists or some such.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

The latest on this story. It looks as if there are still those within the police force that are trying to cover up as much of this as they can. First they claimed that the man died of a heart attack, that there was no CCTV footage of the incident and denied that there had been an unprovoked attack. Now that those genies are out of the bottle, they are still trying to keep further details hidden.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8011418.stm

They have done more harm to the public's view of the police with these 'damage-limitation' exercises than any of their opponents could have hoped for.

[al-rawandi]

I think that states your point of view pretty clearly. A bad choice of terms then. You meant so-called-leftists or some such.

Yes a poor choice of terms. I prefer to refer to myself as a libertarian, because I feel that truly encompasses leftism in all the ways I mean it. I also want to point out the level of apologetics and denials for Stalin's crimes that persisted well after the 20th Congress under Kruschev which admitted to the crimes of Stalin in an effort at reconciliation. So yeah these people piss me off to no end.







*mod edit to remove excess quoted posts which caused incorrect quotation nesting and wrong attribution of quote content - Charlou*

[Horwood Beer-Master]

Watch the video on this bbc page, the guy says that the man wasnt part of the protests but you can tell by his body language he aint doing what the cops are saying. Its our medias fault and whining fucking liberals that are messing up our police force.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7989027.stm

[RuleBritannia]

Watch the video on this bbc page, the guy says that the man wasnt part of the protests but you can tell by his body language he aint doing what the cops are saying. Its our medias fault and whining fucking liberals that are messing up our police force.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7989027.stm

You're a bit late to tell 'im to fuck off, that happened over a year ago.

[devogue]

Oh fuck. This really should not have been bumped.

[Pensioner]

Watch the video on this bbc page, the guy says that the man wasnt part of the protests but you can tell by his body language he aint doing what the cops are saying. Its our medias fault and whining fucking liberals that are messing up our police force.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7989027.stm

You're a bit late to tell 'im to fuck off, that happened over a year ago.

Its never too late to call a cunt a cunt….

[devogue]

Watch the video on this bbc page, the guy says that the man wasnt part of the protests but you can tell by his body language he aint doing what the cops are saying. Its our medias fault and whining fucking liberals that are messing up our police force.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7989027.stm

You're a bit late to tell 'im to fuck off, that happened over a year ago.

Its never too late to call a cunt a cunt….

I demand that Pensioner be suspended for such a despicable personal attack on a fellow Ratz member.