Why the UK police cant do their job properly

[al-rawandi]

Watch the video on this bbc page, the guy says that the man wasnt part of the protests but you can tell by his body language he aint doing what the cops are saying. Its our medias fault and whining fucking liberals that are messing up our police force.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7989027.stm

Based on this video alone it seems the behavior of the officer was inappropriate. What is even more inappropriate is the incessant whining here about how cops are small dick assholes who are simply insecure. Recently in my city two police officers were shot then shot again execution style by a child rapist and life long crook, two more were shot attempting to apprehend the suspect. These were family men who served with honor in a very tough city. Being a police officer is a tough job, you are exposed to the worst of society and you have to watch as these people cycle through a permissive justice system only to continue to victimize the innocent.

I quite agree with you up to this point. The actions of a single police officer do not justify the vilification of the entire force. There are naturally going to be a few bad apples in any collection of individuals. One can only hope that they are in the minority and that their excesses are properly addressed with the same unbiased legality that they are supposed to be upholding.

As for the officer in the video, he did NOT use lethal force, he shoved a guy to the ground. The man's actions could be deemed obstreperous or simply harmless, but this would depend on context. It seems to me a lot of protesters who get arrested were just "on the way home". It is understandable that the police are thoroughly fed up with protesters in the UK, as these protesters are generally anti-Semitic, polygamous, welfare leech, fanatical Muslims or whiny liberals who disdain their own society out of feelings of rejection and attempt to provoke the authorities to establish their "victim" bona fides.

OK. Here's where you lose me. You rightly decry the demonisation of the police and then apply the same sweeping generalisations to the protestors. I dare say that there may well be a few protestors that fit one or more of the charges you have laid against them. I find it hard to believe that they generally fit into any of those categories however. Apart from a few agitators, the majority of the protestors were there to make a peaceful protest about the excesses of capitalism that have led to the current financial fuck-up that we are suffering, their numbers swelled by many more that were there simply to see what was happening. The worst that one can accuse the majority of, is being too naive to realise that the protest was likely to turn nasty due to the agendas of a few anarchists (aided by the itchy baton fingers of a minority of the police.)

And, while not privy to a demographic breakdown of the protestors, I doubt that the crowds in that particular protest were over-represented by the moslem community (let alone fanatical, unemployed and bigamous members of that community.) If anything, they were mainly white and middle class.

None of this excuses the officers behavior, but I can certainly understand how he felt. He should be investigated, tried, and possibly punished, because the only police force that can be trusted is one subject to the laws it hopes to enforce.

I am back with you 100% here - especially with that last clause.

And finally in college it was more than once I wanted to punch an obnoxious hippie. No one is above the impulse.

I think we all know that feeling. Although I would not limit it to hippies exclusively. There were a number of young conservatives and quite a few sport science students that inspired similar feelings back in my college days.

You got me. I did generalize a little too much. Especially as someone who has done his share of protesting I should know better. I am still stuck in pissed off mode over the anti-Israel protests across Europe that were led by bearded whackos praising the Holocaust and what not. Forgive me my excess here. And yes I have wanted to punch conservatives as often as hippies, it is true. But you have to forgive me again I am reading Glazov's book and I am still spinning from some of the incidents he recites about leftists and their nasty comments and actions.

Thanks for getting me back in line.

[lordpasternack]

The guy is being a dick, anyone can see that, he could have moved away faster rather than just dawdling past with arrogance.

You're the only one here who "sees it". Please, if you could, lead us to a source that verifies your suspicions or I'll reject them as groundless and specious. Has anyone from the police made a statement to the effect that the man was told to do something and was being defiant? Is there even a moment in that video clip where it looks as though an officer is giving orders to the man? Or is it just that you don't like liberals, and the guy looks a bit shifty to you, and so you are happy to let your own prejudices do all the reasoning for you in this instance?

In any case - even if the man was part of the demonstration and/or being defiant (and there is currently no basis beyond your own suspect "instincts" to believe this was indeed the case) - the use of the baton in that instance was completely unwarranted, and completely reprehensible. I don't want to live in any country where that is considered a policeman "doing his job".

[Pappa]

I don't want to live in any country where that is considered a policeman "doing his job".

+1

I've seen riot police in action, and I've got to say, a significant minority of them are subhuman thugs.

[AshtonBlack]

Heh.... you think the police are bad.

Never be in a crowd when the army riot trained soldiers come out to play. I've done the course 4 times. (2 as a soldier and 2 as "pretend" rioter).
In all cases the instructions were quite clear, "just don't kill them." But, almost everything else is fair game.
If the Army are ever used again unarmed civilians demonstrating even as "crowd control" in mainland Britain, then something has gone horribly and terrifyingly wrong.

The police, in general, do a fine job. But they MUST be bound by the laws of the land. No excuses about provocation, force is only to be used (IMHO), "where there is a danger to, themselves, others or the protester, or in the event of a serious crime."

In this case and the "back handed, batton wielder" video, this is not shown and therefore reprehensible.

[Hermit]

A 47 year old newspaper seller finishes work and sets out to go home. He finds that his usual route homewards is obstructed by a bunch of protestors, so he attempts to circumvent them. Unfortunately he meets up with members of police who are there to control the protest from its circumference, and for an inexplicable reason is assaulted by one of them as he attempted to keep walking home.

The question posed as the title of this thread ought to be: Why can't the UK police do its job properly?

Ensuring public safety during a demonstration is certainly a legitimate task. Assaulting a passer-by in the process is not the way to ensure public safety. In fact, it's quite ironic. Can you imagine the justification? "In order to ensure public safety, M'lord, we had to beat up a member of the public whose only connection with a legal demonstration was that he got near to it in the process of walking home from work. The fact that he continued to walk home - and away from us at the same time - while keeping his hands in his pockets and his gaze to the ground in front of him convinced me that he constituted an immediate and severe danger to everyone around him. Everyone around him was us - a couple of dozen members of vulnerable, we only want peace, couldn't defend ourselves against a rolled up newspaper swung in a menacing manner - police, and some fuckwit who spoilt my fun by recording it all with his fucking video camera."

[Feck]

I think you all missed the point the nice police man was protecting the cannine officers.
You cannot see it on the video but the bad man obviously had loose change or house keys in his pocket ,these could have seriously chipped the dogs teeth had he had to bite him in the groin to protect the public.

[Achtland]

Mrenutt4-previous in carnation as a police dog me think!

[Mysturji]

Because while most of them are trying their best to do a difficult job, there are just enough complete and utter wankers in their midst to ensure that this sort of event happens often enough for some of them to be caught on camera?*

"To protect and serve"
I know that's not the motto of the Metropolitan Police, but it's still a good and appropriate one, and one they should perhaps consider adopting.

Its our medias fault and whining fucking liberals that are messing up our police force.

Then why don't you fuck off to North Korea or Saudi Arabia where the media and "whining fucking liberals" are firmly under control and the police have virtually unlimited power to keep it that way?

* By that, of course, I mean a camera not under the control of the police themselves.

[Achtland]

what is interesting was that there was talk of taking to court all people who filmed the police on the same day that the member of the public came forward with the video of the officer stricking poor man that died minutes after the, in my view, un called for attack

[al-rawandi]

Because while most of them are trying their best to do a difficult job, there are just enough complete and utter wankers in their midst to ensure that this sort of event happens often enough for some of them to be caught on camera?*

"To protect and serve"
I know that's not the motto of the Metropolitan Police, but it's still a good and appropriate one, and one they should perhaps consider adopting.

Its our medias fault and whining fucking liberals that are messing up our police force.

Then why don't you fuck off to North Korea or Saudi Arabia where the media and "whining fucking liberals" are firmly under control and the police have virtually unlimited power to keep it that way?

* By that, of course, I mean a camera not under the control of the police themselves.

It would be nice to see such indignation from the regulars here when the genocidal Muslim supremacists gather to curse British soldiers. Or when they gather to both deny and support the Holocaust in anti-Semitic gatherings again calling for the destruction of Israel. Your concern would go a lot farther if I felt it were serious.

These protesters NEED to be persecuted, it is an insatiable lust of the liberal (known as "the believer") miscreant to be persecuted, to join the ranks of those he wishes he was, under the boot of those he is. How many liberals lamented the end of the Vietnam War because it meant they had no reason to go on living, Bill Ayers and his crowd were quite despondent, because their reason for existence and movement had been taken away. There is a rather famous story around Berkeley, at a sit in the police surrounded the protesters with arrest warrants for seven people, including the famous Mario Savio. After these were executed a woman in the crowd named Karen Wald cried out "Come on you male supremacists, arrest me, too." She was distraught that she could not further solidify her liberal bona fides. What other explanation is there, people enjoy going to prison? Of course numerous western Communists testified that this was in fact the case in the USSR, some even saying that people applied to be admitted to prison in Soviet Russia, all the way up to the Stalin sycophant ambassador to Moscow Joseph Davies. The point... Lionheart is right, these liberals are disgusting, just a long line of them.. all pathologically ill with self loathing.

The problem is really that this officer has just given yet another gift to the liberal simulacrum of victimhood.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

The second autopsy into the death of Ian Tomlinson has revealed that he died as a result of abdominal bleeding and not of a heart attack as previously claimed. The police officer that struck him has since been questioned under caution for manslaughter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8004222.stm

He was not a protestor, merely someone trying to get home through a demonstration. The police (in the person of the officer that assaulted him) exceeded their authority. Questions have been raised as to the general tactics employed by the police in this instance.

I am not suggesting that the police should allow future protests to rage out of control. In any such event, there are a number of 'instigators' that are there purely to stir up trouble for political ends. I think there is a case for better training (and intelligence driven policing) in order that those instigators can be identified and isolated/arrested, rather than dragging the merely sympathetic, curious and just plain innocent into unwarranted violence.

[charlou]

A very sad and shameful event. I really hope the inquiry leads to not just recommendations, but actual better police training for and practice in these situations.

[Hermit]

It would be nice to see such indignation from the regulars here when the genocidal Muslim supremacists gather to curse British soldiers. Or when they gather to both deny and support the Holocaust in anti-Semitic gatherings...

If you cared to look around a little you will find heaps of indignation regarding Islam (and any other religion for that matter) and the atrocities that people commit because of it. Likewise, you'll find that almost everyone regards the few holocaust deniers as a bunch of dangerous racist fucking nutcases. You seem to want to turn every thread into a campaign against muslims. Guess what? This thread is not about muslims. It is about a fucking psycho among the police service who took it upon himself to assault an innocent passer-by with fatal results. Please take your (albeit justified) obsession regarding Islamism to the appropriate topics, will you? While I agree with you regarding the dangers of Islamism and the lack of backbone by people who ought to know better to oppose them with words and deeds, your virtual carpet-bombing of any thread where you can see even the slightest opportunity to come riding in with your obsession is, to say the least, a derailment. Keep going like this, and I'll call it spamming and/or trolling.

These protesters NEED to be persecuted...

Please elaborate.

[lordpasternack]

These protesters NEED to be persecuted...

Please elaborate.

And while elaborating, please make sure to note that this guy who died WAS NOT A PROTESTER. He was a passer-by on his way home from work.

[NineBerry]

Journalist attacks G20 police as third probe starts into claims of brutality

SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS have emerged of police brutality directed towards journalists reporting on the G20 protests in London this month.

As a third investigation was launched yesterday by the Independent Police Complaints Commission into the policing of the protests, which saw one man die, the Sunday Herald has heard shocking claims of baton charges directed at the press covering the demonstrations.

Jason Parkinson, a video journalist who has covered many protests across the UK and abroad since 2000 and has contributed to the Sunday Herald, says he was repeatedly assaulted while covering the demonstrations for the Associated Press. He is to make a complaint against the Metropolitan Police via the National Union of Journalists.
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Some 185 people have made complaints against the police following clashes between officers and protesters at the summit.

At least 90 are claims of excessive force by alleged victims or witnesses to brutality, the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) said.

A post mortem has revealed Ian Tomlinson, 47, died from internal bleeding after being assaulted by police during the demonstrations. Mr Tomlinson, a newspaper seller, was not a protester. A police officer has been interviewed under caution on suspicion of manslaughter.

Another alleged victim of police brutality, Nicola Fisher, who was on her way to attend a vigil for Mr Tomlinson, was also assaulted by police. Video footage exists of both events.

A third member of the public, a 23-year-old man, has also made a complaint about excessive force. He alleged he was assaulted at a police cordon on Cornhill some time between 6pm and 7pm on April 1. Scotland Yard is trying to identify the officer involved. All three cases have been referred to the IPCC.

Journalist Jason Parkinson, 39, says he was also subjected to police brutality' while covering the demonstrations.

"I was following the march to the Bank of England," he said. "It was probably the most brutal violence I have seen since May Day 2000 (when about 150,000 people marched in London during anti-capitalist demonstrations).

"This was indiscriminate attacks on people doing nothing wrong.

"When I got to Threadneedle Street I was hit repeatedly. There was a lot of pushing going on and I was having terrible trouble trying to film. I ended up right at the front of a group of protesters. There was a baton charge by police. When that charge came in it was completely indiscriminate.

"Two officers came towards me and went for the camera with batons.

I pulled my camera out of reach of their batons and started yelling press' at them. When they missed the camera that's when about six or seven blows came down on my head from telescopic batons.

"If there had been anywhere to fall back to I probably would have fallen down, but there wasn't. I went on filming because I had to do my job.

"In the thick of it, when you get an injury, you do not really feel it until the next day. The next day I had a dull headache - that was concussion and it lasted about three days."

Parkinson claims his experience was not unique. He said: "I saw them punching and kicking journalists. From the very beginning they did nothing but assault the press. Because of the way it has been for the last few years with the Metropolitan Police, everybody who covers these things has a press card clearly visible.

"A figure carrying ten grand of equipment is not a violent thug. It is obvious they are press.

"The press covering these protests have been increasingly injured in the last two years.

"I was wearing shin pads because you have to be prepared, I wear a very sturdy helmet. If you are on the front line the first thing they do is start kicking out at you. The baton charge on the press shows how indiscriminate it is.

"The police do not care who you are, you are fair game. It has been worse in the last 18 months to two years.

"I would say attacks on peaceful protesters is simply to discourage people from protesting, and it is the same as attacks on the press.

"I am not sure if it has come from the mentality of certain officers who detest protesters and the press who are covering it, but they do obviously hate us. It is a matter of catching it on film to expose individual officers and their attitude."

The Metropolitan Police declined to comment on Mr Parkinson's allegations.

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/herald ... 20.0.0.php