Bitch throws puppies into river

[Feck]

Regarding taking the animal to the vet being a cowardly act - except for some insects when I was a child, I have no experience killing anything. I could make a mess of it by trying to slit it's throat, shoot it or drop an anvil on it's head, so it is more humane to take it where you know it will be killed by someone who has some experience doing so.

Got me.
Ya, you are correct, of course. (I took the last animal to the vet myself and felt a bit like I was shirking a responsibility - not to excuse it but to explain how I got there)

I wonder how many folks who got their knickers in a twist over the 'poor puppies' did so after a breakfast of eggs? Do you think they have inspected the facility where the eggs are produced in an effort to make sure there was no poultry torture?

You don't even need to inspect these facilities to know that torture exists there. When it comes to how factory farmed meat, eggs and dairy are produced most people are in denial. So yes, I agree, it's a bit hypocritical to claim such outrage over the drowning of a puppy as long as you are consuming those products.

I guess the main point I was making is that when you take a step back, this girl was doing very little torture relative to what I do (being a meat-eater and even killing some of it myself) But even so, her 'dox' are posted in what looks like an effort to have some hate directed at her for her act.

I don't suggest they come down - I already asked Lozzer once and he can say what he wants. Leave it up as long as he wants. I do wish he would edit it to add his own contact info, though.

Posting (possibly) a persons details is wrong I'm with you on that , If for example the video had shown her hitting those pups with an axe or a club then I think there would have been a similar backlash despite the fact that her actions caused no suffering . BUT why laugh about it why post it on youtube ?
The fact that there was no explanation ,no tears ,casual death and no effort to minimise their suffering makes me think I would rather not know her !

[maiforpeace]

There is something unsettling about getting together to hate. Especially when someone tries to direct it at an individual like this young girl.

Very unsettling.

Even more so when it's directed at the wrong young girl, as may well be the case with the published name and address.

Indeed, it's just another form of vigilantism.

[Warren Dew]

The beef, pork and poultry lobby is as powerful as the oil one.

I think it's more the corn and soybean lobby that pushes factory farming. Ranchers would be happy to grow grass fed beef if they weren't undercut by beef fed on grain in factories. Granted the feed lots and slaughterhouses wouln't be so happy.

And of course it's tied in with oil, too, since modern grain yields are based on heavy use of petrochemical fertilizers.

I can't really fault those who can't afford to eat grass fed beef, pastured eggs, etc. I do think comparisons that include how food animals live, as well as how they are killed, raise some interesting issues:

[Cunt]

If the public really knew what went on at factory farms, then I feel certain people would eat less animal products than they do now, and/or make a more concerted effort to buy products from more humanely produced methods.

True. I also think that if more people hunted, less people would eat meat. It is an eye-opener to get closer to 'the land'.

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There is something unsettling about getting together to hate. Especially when someone tries to direct it at an individual like this young girl.

Very unsettling.

Even more so when it's directed at the wrong young girl, as may well be the case with the published name and address.

You think? Don't you think Lozzer confirmed his facts before coming in here and posting someone's personal information?

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Posting (possibly) a persons details is wrong I'm with you on that , If for example the video had shown her hitting those pups with an axe or a club then I think there would have been a similar backlash despite the fact that her actions caused no suffering .

Agreed. In fact, many would be outraged by my sincerest efforts to minimize suffering when some animal has to be killed.
Also, we don't know what her role was, except that she did the dirty job many here would have found unpalatable.

BUT why laugh about it

I could speculate that it was the normal human defense to a stressful, upsetting situation. Maybe she didn't want to cry on camera so she played as if she were having fun.
I know the trend seems to be to speculate her into a villainous role, but since were speculating, I thought I would toss in some variety.

The fact that there was no explanation ,no tears ,casual death and no effort to minimise their suffering makes me think I would rather not know her !

I don't know because I didn't investigate the video, but I think if you are going to try to promote some kind of retribution, you would want to know VERY well what happened first. (Kind of like civilized justice presuming innocence until proof of guilt has been accepted.)

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[Cunt]

4chan has just established her identity as one

Address Removed by staff.

[maiforpeace]

4chan has just established her identity as...

*snip*

No offense Cunt but if you are against posting the address, why are you reposting it?

[sandinista]

I still think that tossing puppies in to a river is wrong.

So do I, but I also eat meat so I'm in no position to claim any high ground.

Don't feel so bad, my friend. Even those who go vegan are not able to 'claim any high ground' (though many pretentious assholes do just that). We eat life. If we are as good as we can be, we aim for less suffering, but many just buy products or use services without a thought to what or who had to die to provide it.

I try to minimize suffering where I am able to have a reasonable effect. I think that's the best we can expect.

Organizations like ALF lay guilt trips, sometimes effectively, but look at what they really are - a perfect excuse for people to vandalize anything they wish and later say it was because the victim was exploiting animals. Without any accountability. (does that ever remind me of religion!)

Fuck - who ISN'T exploiting animals?

What are you even trying to say. Of course vegans can claim a higher ground when it comes to animal suffering than meat eaters. Even if pretentious meat eaters try to deny that fact. Of course everyone in western society exploits animals to some extent, but vegans exploit a hell of a lot less than most. Surely you're not making the argument (like the "the hate us for our freedom guy") that since animal exploitation in some sense (killing a slug, moving dirt to pick a carrot, hence hurting whatever lives in the dirt) will occur might as well eat at mcshit, buy leather shoes, and go to a dog/bull fight. I agree with you that the less suffering you cause the better, but there are certainly some who do better than others. Guilt trips should be pushed. If you believe that animals should not be killed en mass and used as consumer products than why not try to guilt people into stopping that behavior? It's a tactic like any other. People should feel guilty when they consume factory farmed meat. If they care for animals that is, if they don't and could give a shit about animal abuse (like this puppy thing) then of course they shouldn't feel guilt. What Charlou said was correct. She was just real enough with herself to understand that it is hard to claim compassion for this story while taking part in a much larger animal abuse industry. I can respect that a lot more than people who have the blinders on.

[Cunt]

4chan has just established her identity as...

*snip*

No offense Cunt but if you are against posting the address, why are you reposting it?

Believe it or not, it was unintentional. It's fixed now.

sandinista, if you want to start a thread about animal rights, I would be glad to participate, but I really think it's deserving of it's own thread. Let me know if you do.

[sandinista]

4chan has just established her identity as...

*snip*

No offense Cunt but if you are against posting the address, why are you reposting it?

Believe it or not, it was unintentional. It's fixed now.

sandinista, if you want to start a thread about animal rights, I would be glad to participate, but I really think it's deserving of it's own thread. Let me know if you do.

Not overly. This thread is fine. An animal rights thread just becomes tedious and predictable. Pretentious meat eaters will go on and on, with the ones with the most guilt about it being the most voracious in their belief that meat can be "humane" or that vegans and vegetarians suck because they either kill bugs or kill carrots. It's like debating a religious person or a drug addict. Can't be bothered, just want to pipe up on these type of threads to "remind" people who are upset about incidents like this, that this stuff goes on every minute of every day and its worth thinking about. If someone even makes the small step of at least trying to find out where their dead carcass comes from and maybe avoiding factory farmed carcasses that would be great.

[Tigger]

I'm an omnomnomnivore. I'm programmed and designed to eat oms, so I will. Just adding that to the mix.

[Cunt]

sandinista, if you want to start a thread about animal rights, I would be glad to participate, but I really think it's deserving of it's own thread. Let me know if you do.

Not overly. This thread is fine. An animal rights thread just becomes tedious and predictable.

Well, if you are unwilling to see a possibility of learning from it, I think you are right, and should stay out of the discussion.

Pretentious meat eaters will go on and on,

So talk with the unpretentious ones then.

with the ones with the most guilt about it being the most voracious in their belief that meat can be "humane"

I think so, and can back it up. Can you back your position? (oh, and I have no guilt - I LOVE h.sapiens!)

or that vegans and vegetarians suck because they either kill bugs or kill carrots.

I wouldn't lump a group as diverse as vegans or vegetarians into a lump and judge them. I think it would be stupid and blinding.

It's like debating a religious person or a drug addict.

With this demonstrated level of respect you show for those willing to engage you on this topic, do you really expect much?

Can't be bothered, just want to pipe up on these type of threads to "remind" people who are upset about incidents like this, that this stuff goes on every minute of every day and its worth thinking about.

It is, but it's not worth attacking this girl for problems that are absolutely rampant throughout society.

If someone even makes the small step of at least trying to find out where their dead carcass comes from and maybe avoiding factory farmed carcasses that would be great.

I recommend everyone hunt, kill, field-dress, prepare and eat an animal at least once if they really want to eat meat. People ARE disconnected from the reality, but a few years working in a slaughterhouse gives you some appropriate perspective about incidints like this one appears to be.

Remember, Lozzers source is a website that revels in trolling people who care. It sounds like he believes it, though.

[maiforpeace]

An animal rights thread just becomes tedious and predictable.

Probably not with you Cunt, but in general I have to agree with Sandinista on this.

Regarding posting the address of this girl. It would be rather hypocritical of those who are objecting to what she did to harm or hurt her - kind of like a pro-lifer who bombs abortion clinics or murders abortion doctors.

[Animavore]

I think we already have an animal rights thread.

The vegans/vegetarians are just as predictable though once you know all the arguments.

[Robert_S]

I think we already have an animal rights thread.

The vegans/vegetarians are just as predictable though once you know all the arguments.

Can't we all just get together for a round of bacon double harvest burgers?

[maiforpeace]

I think we already have an animal rights thread.

The vegans/vegetarians are just as predictable though once you know all the arguments.

Can't we all just get together for a round of bacon double harvest burgers?

Of course - just make mine grass-fed.