Hawking announces god not needed to create the universe

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Hawking announces god not needed to create the universe

Post by Rum » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:29 pm

Well we didn't need to be told, but perhaps some people did..

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493

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Post by Tero » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:43 pm

People have used "common sense" to work things out. Works for farming, not cosmology.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:50 pm

Tero wrote:People have used "common sense" to work things out. Works for farming, not cosmology.
I always use "good sense" rather than "common sense". "Good sense" isn't common.
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Post by A Monkey Shaved » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:01 pm

The only "God" that makes sense to me is the "God" of the scientific pantheist which adopts the view that God and the universe are one in the same thing. In other words a god totally lacking in any intelligence which is totally unaware of its own existence because it is really no more than the personification of the laws of nature and physics. Scientific pantheism therefore is just a diplomatic form of atheism which Einstein warmed up to. He might as well of been more up front like Hawking and said god was not required in the creation of the universe and does not exist and be done with it.
Just because more people believe Jesus is the son of God and not the son of Satan does not make it any truer.

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Post by Tero » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:12 pm

Einstein was famous for cryptic quotes, I prefer Hawking.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:21 pm

A Monkey Shaved wrote:The only "God" that makes sense to me is the "God" of the scientific pantheist which adopts the view that God and the universe are one in the same thing. In other words a god totally lacking in any intelligence which is totally unaware of its own existence because it is really no more than the personification of the laws of nature and physics. Scientific pantheism therefore is just a diplomatic form of atheism which Einstein warmed up to. He might as well of been more up front like Hawking and said god was not required in the creation of the universe and does not exist and be done with it.
So why be redundant?
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Post by Pappa » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:23 pm

I ♥ Stephen Hawking
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Pappa wrote:I ♥ Stephen Hawking
Ewwwwww!!!!!!!!!
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Gawdzilla wrote:
Pappa wrote:I ♥ Stephen Hawking
Ewwwwww!!!!!!!!!
Platonically! :lay:
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Post by Animavore » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:29 pm

So Stephen Hawking has decided to cash in on the "New Atheism" it seems... [/cynicism]
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Pappa wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Pappa wrote:I ♥ Stephen Hawking
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Platonically! :lay:
Sowwy. I was in Ratz-mode. :oops:
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Post by Pappa » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:32 pm

Animavore wrote:So Stephen Hawking has decided to cash in on the "New Atheism" it seems... [/cynicism]
If it sells his books, who cares. :biggrin:
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Post by Animavore » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:34 pm

Pappa wrote:
Animavore wrote:So Stephen Hawking has decided to cash in on the "New Atheism" it seems... [/cynicism]
If it sells his books, who cares. :biggrin:
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Post by Pappa » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:41 pm

Animavore wrote:
Pappa wrote:
Animavore wrote:So Stephen Hawking has decided to cash in on the "New Atheism" it seems... [/cynicism]
If it sells his books, who cares. :biggrin:
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Re: Hawking announces god not needed to create the universe

Post by Eriku » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:44 pm

Pappa wrote:
Animavore wrote:So Stephen Hawking has decided to cash in on the "New Atheism" it seems... [/cynicism]
If it sells his books, who cares. :biggrin:
You'd've thought Stevie would reach that conclusion a bit quicker ;P

Anyway, good for him and us... Too many people think Einstein was a theist... Now we have clever folk like Hitchens and Hawking making sure their legacies aren't tainted.

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