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Re: Bitch throws puppies into river

Post by Trolldor » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:17 pm

"Being deprived of oxygen" means absolutely jack shit. It tells you nothing about what's happening.

Being gassed is asphyxiation, so is being smothered by a pillow, having an asthma attack. The fuck uses a blanket term to describe specifics?
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Post by RuleBritannia » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:19 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:"Being deprived of oxygen" means absolutely jack shit. It tells you nothing about what's happening.

Being gassed is asphyxiation, so is being smothered by a pillow, having an asthma attack. The fuck uses a blanket term to describe specifics?
So? It's still asphyxia.
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Post by Trolldor » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:20 pm

And you compeltely misinterpreted my post. Try again.
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

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Post by sandinista » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:23 pm

Animavore wrote:Not to mention planting incendiary devices underneath scientist's cars, including cancer researchers.

Luckily they're a bunch of incompetents and they have never been able to successfully harm anyone.
has nothing to do with Incompetence.
The ALF credo

The Animal Liberation Front (ALF) carries out direct action against animal abuse in the form of rescuing animals and causing financial loss to animal exploiters, usually through the damage and destruction of property.

The ALF's short-term aim is to save as many animals as possible and directly disrupt the practice of animal abuse. Their long term aim is to end all animal suffering by forcing animal abuse companies out of business.

It is a nonviolent campaign, activists taking all precautions not to harm any animal (human or otherwise).

Because ALF actions may be against the law, activists work anonymously, either in small groups or individually, and do not have any centralized organization or coordination.

The Animal Liberation Front consists of small autonomous groups of people all over the world who carry out direct action according to the ALF guidelines. Any group of people who are vegetarians or vegans and who carry out actions according to ALF guidelines have the right to regard themselves as part of the ALF.


The ALF guidelines are:
1. TO liberate animals from places of abuse, i.e. laboratories, factory farms, fur farms, etc, and place them in good homes where they may live out their natural lives, free from suffering.

2. TO inflict economic damage to those who profit from the misery and exploitation of animals.

3. TO reveal the horror and atrocities committed against animals behind locked doors, by performing non-violent direct actions and liberations.

4. TO take all necessary precautions against harming any animal, human and non-human.

5. To analyze the ramifications of any proposed action and never apply generalizations (e.g. all 'blank' are evil) when specific information is available. See Mission Statement.
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Post by RuleBritannia » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:25 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:And you compeltely misinterpreted my post. Try again.
No I didn't, you said drowning isn't asphyxiation. It is. Try again.
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Post by Trolldor » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:32 pm

Oh wonderful, I suppose you're going to tell me what my personal philosophy is next. I always value other people telling me what I meant.
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Post by sandinista » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:33 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:THE ALF are violent criminals and nothing more.
fail.
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Post by Cunt » Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:06 am

sandinista wrote:
The ALF credo

The Animal Liberation Front (ALF) carries out direct action against animal abuse in the form of rescuing animals and causing financial loss to animal exploiters, usually through the damage and destruction of property.

The ALF's short-term aim is to save as many animals as possible and directly disrupt the practice of animal abuse. Their long term aim is to end all animal suffering by forcing animal abuse companies out of business.

It is a nonviolent campaign, activists taking all precautions not to harm any animal (human or otherwise).

Because ALF actions may be against the law, activists work anonymously, either in small groups or individually, and do not have any centralized organization or coordination.

The Animal Liberation Front consists of small autonomous groups of people all over the world who carry out direct action according to the ALF guidelines. Any group of people who are vegetarians or vegans and who carry out actions according to ALF guidelines have the right to regard themselves as part of the ALF.


The ALF guidelines are:
1. TO liberate animals from places of abuse, i.e. laboratories, factory farms, fur farms, etc, and place them in good homes where they may live out their natural lives, free from suffering.

2. TO inflict economic damage to those who profit from the misery and exploitation of animals.

3. TO reveal the horror and atrocities committed against animals behind locked doors, by performing non-violent direct actions and liberations.

4. TO take all necessary precautions against harming any animal, human and non-human.

5. To analyze the ramifications of any proposed action and never apply generalizations (e.g. all 'blank' are evil) when specific information is available. See Mission Statement.
So, sandinista, tell me, who decides who is an 'exploiter' of animals?

Does judging someone (corporate or individual) as an exploiter make it okay to steal from them and break their stuff? (that is what I understand by 'causing financial loss to animal exploiters, usually through the damage and destruction of property')

Is a diabetic an 'exploiter' of pigs because they are used to make insulin?

Are these ALF people accountable for their actions? If so, to whom and is it a public accountability?

Just a few questions, but enough to begin to understand where you are coming from.
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Post by Trolldor » Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:29 am

Do these ALF people wear clothes? Do they have a headquarters? Do they have cars?

All of these in some way hurt an animal, right down to the plants they eat being pulled out of the ground.
And they don't even have to be farmed plants, they can be from private, small gardens without any sort of pesticides.
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Post by sandinista » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:48 am

Cunt wrote:
sandinista wrote:
The ALF credo

The Animal Liberation Front (ALF) carries out direct action against animal abuse in the form of rescuing animals and causing financial loss to animal exploiters, usually through the damage and destruction of property.

The ALF's short-term aim is to save as many animals as possible and directly disrupt the practice of animal abuse. Their long term aim is to end all animal suffering by forcing animal abuse companies out of business.

It is a nonviolent campaign, activists taking all precautions not to harm any animal (human or otherwise).

Because ALF actions may be against the law, activists work anonymously, either in small groups or individually, and do not have any centralized organization or coordination.

The Animal Liberation Front consists of small autonomous groups of people all over the world who carry out direct action according to the ALF guidelines. Any group of people who are vegetarians or vegans and who carry out actions according to ALF guidelines have the right to regard themselves as part of the ALF.


The ALF guidelines are:
1. TO liberate animals from places of abuse, i.e. laboratories, factory farms, fur farms, etc, and place them in good homes where they may live out their natural lives, free from suffering.

2. TO inflict economic damage to those who profit from the misery and exploitation of animals.

3. TO reveal the horror and atrocities committed against animals behind locked doors, by performing non-violent direct actions and liberations.

4. TO take all necessary precautions against harming any animal, human and non-human.

5. To analyze the ramifications of any proposed action and never apply generalizations (e.g. all 'blank' are evil) when specific information is available. See Mission Statement.
So, sandinista, tell me, who decides who is an 'exploiter' of animals?

Does judging someone (corporate or individual) as an exploiter make it okay to steal from them and break their stuff? (that is what I understand by 'causing financial loss to animal exploiters, usually through the damage and destruction of property')

Is a diabetic an 'exploiter' of pigs because they are used to make insulin?

Are these ALF people accountable for their actions? If so, to whom and is it a public accountability?

Just a few questions, but enough to begin to understand where you are coming from.
It's up to the individual, ALF has no structure, just guidlines. Thats the point. What do you mean by accoutable in this case?
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Post by sandinista » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:52 am

The Mad Hatter wrote:Do these ALF people wear clothes? Do they have a headquarters? Do they have cars?

All of these in some way hurt an animal, right down to the plants they eat being pulled out of the ground.
And they don't even have to be farmed plants, they can be from private, small gardens without any sort of pesticides.
:this: equals retarded...no offense to the mentally handicapped intended. Probably the lamest of alllll the lame responses to animal rights questions. Oh SHIT, fuck, hold on a minute...Mad Hatter? The same guy who gave me the "They hate us for our freedom" Bush quote? I think so...forgot I'm not bothering with you. Once again for good reason.
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Post by Trolldor » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:54 am

Really" So all those insects who make home in the soil aren't being disturbed? When they walk with their clumsy shoes across the grass they aren't disturbing the home and habitate of bugs and insects?

What about the fires they light releasing carbon dioxide, contributing to pollution? The cars they drive.
Do their clothes have any polyester? Do they lived in any housing on developed land?
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Re: Bitch throws puppies into river

Post by normal » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:58 am

I don't know.
It wasn't that bad. I think I would choose wringing their necks if I really had to kill some puppies. Maybe the girl was faced with that choice, and felt really icky about it, and because of said ickiness felt that tossing them in the river wouldn't be as bad as actually breaking necks.

Then halfway through she realizes that although it is quite horrible, it is easier than she'd have thought and she goes "wheee" for the camera.

This isn't one of the "horrible abuse vidoes" out there. This is relatively tame, and we can dream about surviving puppies living in the same apartment deep under a tree somewhere in the forest. They eat raw meat every day and have a nice time.
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Re: Bitch throws puppies into river

Post by floppit » Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:32 am

Yeah she's fucked up and probably no safer with her fellow humans - but, the witch hunt is fucked up too. We know just how much insane shit goes on in the world, we know kids are used as sex slaves, we know millions lose their lives in war, we treasure our new tellies knowing kids in other places have no vaccinations, no mosquito nets, no food - all of that is real. But because we have no part in puppy tossing it gets used as a band aid, a sticking plaster telling us 'we are not like that' we can say we wouldn't and that's why we want to hunt them down while sit comfortably watching the rest and buying our goods. Empathy for the puppies? With all that happens to people and animals, all that we have some part in I think our empathy is more self serving than a cure.

Oh - I and utterly include myself in the above, I just don't like it.
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Post by PsychoSerenity » Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:12 am

Very well said, floppit. :clap:
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