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Post by Cunt » Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:57 pm

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Cunt wrote:So how would all of you choose to kill puppies?
I know I wouldn't toss them in a river, but what humane method would you all choose?

I saw another video on 4chan of a dog being beaten to death with a shovel. Many anon's raged about it, but when you consider that the blows were as fast as they were, the wielder was trying to make his kill quickly. If he fucked around for awhile, I would suggest abuse, but doing it fast and certainly is just putting an animal down.

So if you would never kill an animal yourself, think hard before you hate someone for doing the job you admit you couldn't do.
This is disingenuous, we aren't discussing how a 'humane' enthusiasm should be performed. And we certainly are not disputing the girl's 'novice' approach.
Speaking of 'novice', I noticed you missed my questions. Thanks for that.
Lozzer wrote: She was killing the puppies, it was an act of cruelty.
Good of you to make that decision based on a few seconds of video. Even better of you to share it.
Lozzer wrote: You can clearly hear going 'weeee' as she did it. It was for entertainment, not a contestable necessity for well-being of the animals.
Have you ever worked at a slaughterhouse, Lozzer? Occasionally, workers go 'weeee' as they 'do it'. Trust me.
Is your hate equal to the young lady who kills a few one afternoon to a pork processing facility which can 'process' (love them euphemisms!) 6700 pigs in a 7.5h shift.
When you have had to kill an animal, how did you do it? Is hiring a hitman (veterenarian) to do it 'painlessly' more ethical than this method?
Lozzer wrote: Unlike third-world barbarians such as herself, here in Britain we put animals to sleep through veterinary application.
When you say 'we' do you mean you and some other folks who personally kill, or are you just taking some of the credit for others who do this (necessary) dirty work?
Lozzer wrote: We do this because we have a responsibility to our pets welfare. If she had to discard these animals for whatever reason, she should have never purchased the mother animal in the first place. If you have to do this, you're in no position for accepting the responsibility entailed through pet ownership.
So you know that she purchased a mother animal?
Or are you making some assumptions because you already don't like her anyway? Maybe just a little?
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I didn't omit your question.

Should she have recorded more than the 40 seconds that she did, maybe I'd have more to go by. It's fair to extrapolate that from the briefness of the clip, she had no intention of journaling anything other than the cruelty.

Now who's making assumptions? Slaughter house workers are professionals, they aren't committed to the job for recreational purposes.
I worked in several slaughterhouses. I can comment on specifics from each. What does 'professionals' mean?
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Pigs aren't domestic animals.

So it's a step too far to presume that these puppies had a mother? Maybe you think it's more reasonable to believe they just miraculously manifested out of thin air? Or maybe they were stolen?
You seemed to assume the mother was the girl's responsibility.
It could have been her Dad who said 'go toss these in the river'. Maybe it's his responsibility you are pinning on her.

The girl may be responsible for killing a bit callously, but there is no reason to think a young teenaged girl ought to be responsible for spaying the family pet. (in one imagined scenario)

Pigs are smarter than dogs (and tastier!) and are as 'domestic' as anything else.

She did a bucket of puppies once. Those Olymel fuckers do a few thousand a day.
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Post by Santa_Claus » Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:07 pm

Lozzer wrote: I think their fins may have been lacking and the odds of fighting the current were very minimal.
Maybe, but if they swam with the current (doggy paddle?) then not impossible that any current would have taken to the river bank.

Of course likely that then would have starved to death or had head eaten by a fox. or both.

But the point is no one knows. Not even the proffessionaly offended drama queens.
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Re: Bitch throws puppies into river

Post by charlou » Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:08 pm

I watched it. :( :( :( :( :(

I'm curious about her view of ethics and morality .. her background and what part that plays in what she has done. Are those puppies like zygotes to her, and this no different to aborting a human fetus ... or a bug, for example? Or, is there some power thing involved .. ?

The motive behind the filming of it also intrigues me.

Sorry .. the act upsets me :( .. but I'm also fascinated by the psychology going on ...


Not the same, but this reminds me of a recent conversation regarding animal cruelty ... I was talking to one of the guys at work the other night .. he told me that when he was a younger kid he'd put a lizard onto an ants' nest to see what would happen, assuming the lizard is bigger and therefore stronger and would just walk away .. but that's not what happened .. the lizard was overwhelmed by ants within seconds and, feeling powerless to stop what he'd set into motion, this kid walked away and left the lizard to its fate. The guy told me what he did was simple, naive curiosity, and walking away was due to a lack of thinking things through beyond the initial idea and not knowing what to do next .. he said it's something that still plays on his mind ... I said to him the lizard's looooooooooong dead and so long as he learned something from what he did, I didn't think he should feel badly about it any more. He was just as fascinated by his childhood behaviour as I was. Interesting conversation.
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Re: Bitch throws puppies into river

Post by RuleBritannia » Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:13 pm

Cunt wrote:Why would I listen to a moron about something like that?
They drowned (probably) and it could have been quicker, or a LOT worse.
The fact that they could have suffererd more doesn't justify anything.
She didn't torture these, that I could see.
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I'd say she did.
And if you decided to film your killing, would you be somber? Would it make a difference? What about the creepy fuckers in the slaughterhouses who joke darkly all day long?
What about the well-known black humour of ER nurses?
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Re: Bitch throws puppies into river

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She didn't torture these, that I could see.
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I'd say she did.
I guess it's just a difference of opinion, then. I have seen people take joy in torturing. This looks very mild. Really, I could see it being the usual solution she learned to having too many puppies.
Sure there are better ways, but is this 'torture' enough to merit special attention?

I think there are likely clearer cases of animal torture going on in your very own town. Or is the veal processed elsewhere so as to keep your hands clean?

I think chickens are tortured all their lives to produce eggs. Much more than this girl tortures even if she tosses puppies all day.

You suggested dropping an anvil on them. Would this be 'extreme anguish of body or mind'? How about 'a cause of severe pain or anguish'?

At the slaughterhouse I worked at, a fellow who worked in the barn (herding the pigs into their last walk) took pleasure in his work. Well, that or he joked about liking it to keep himself sane. Would you like to go find him? Accuse him of torture? Would you do it while eating a bacon sandwich?

Some puppies need to be killed. It sucks. Some people would never kill an animal themselves because they can't face that reality but for those who do, I think some allowances have to be made for being human.
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And if you decided to film your killing, would you be somber? Would it make a difference? What about the creepy fuckers in the slaughterhouses who joke darkly all day long?
What about the well-known black humour of ER nurses?
Joking about something and actually doing it are not the same thing.
My point is that she decided to kill the puppies sometime before the filming. She may have made light of it for similar reasons to the nurses who make horrible jokes.

We can all agree that puppies sometimes need to be dealt with as vermin, right?

How do you deal with vermin, RuleBrittannia?
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Re: Bitch throws puppies into river

Post by RuleBritannia » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:30 pm

Cunt wrote:How do you deal with vermin, RuleBrittannia?
I can't see how a puppy can be considered "vermin". But I do kill pigeons and rats at work, as they are vermin. I snap their necks as it's instant if done right, unlike asphyxia.
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Cunt wrote:How do you deal with vermin, RuleBrittannia?
I can't see how a puppy can be considered "vermin". But I do kill pigeons and rats at work, as they are vermin. I snap their necks as it's instant if done right, unlike asphyxia.
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Post by Warren Dew » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:36 pm

Charlou wrote:The motive behind the filming of it also intrigues me.
The filming seems stranger than the throwing to me.

It seems likely to me that the girl was just told by her parents to get rid of her puppies, and this was what she thought of. The person holding the camera, though - what are his motives? I can't think of anything other than to post a shocking video for the fun of it, which seems more reprehensible a motive.

Yet the camera man seems to be completely escaping blame here, just because he isn't in the video picture.

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Post by Cunt » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:40 pm

The flamethrower would be a good method if you wanted to torture.

Tossing them into the river is pretty fast.

RuleBritannia, do they not sell rat and pigeon poison where you live? Are you sure breakink the neck is quicker/less painful?
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Post by RuleBritannia » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:40 pm

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Cunt wrote:How do you deal with vermin, RuleBrittannia?
I can't see how a puppy can be considered "vermin". But I do kill pigeons and rats at work, as they are vermin. I snap their necks as it's instant if done right, unlike asphyxia.
Why not use a flame thrower and squeal with delight as they burn?
I work on a farm, the rats and pigeons set up shop around the place to eat the animal feed, a flame thrower would do more damage in a minute they'd do in a lifetime. Besides, once you kill 'em new ones come round to take over; who'd hunt for food when there's stores of it with an abundance of nesting spots?
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Post by RuleBritannia » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:44 pm

Cunt wrote:RuleBritannia, do they not sell rat and pigeon poison where you live? Are you sure breakink the neck is quicker/less painful?
(see above) I work on a farm, the poison would get into the animal food and kill the livestock. The ones I kill are almost always babies (I try to catch the pigeon eggs before they hatch) and breaking their necks not only kills them fast but I often pull their entire heads off 'cause they're so fragile; they definetly die fast without heads.
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Post by sandinista » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:45 pm

Cunt wrote:
Lozzer wrote:
Cunt wrote:
Lozzer wrote:
Cunt wrote:So how would all of you choose to kill puppies?
I know I wouldn't toss them in a river, but what humane method would you all choose?

I saw another video on 4chan of a dog being beaten to death with a shovel. Many anon's raged about it, but when you consider that the blows were as fast as they were, the wielder was trying to make his kill quickly. If he fucked around for awhile, I would suggest abuse, but doing it fast and certainly is just putting an animal down.

So if you would never kill an animal yourself, think hard before you hate someone for doing the job you admit you couldn't do.
This is disingenuous, we aren't discussing how a 'humane' enthusiasm should be performed. And we certainly are not disputing the girl's 'novice' approach.
Speaking of 'novice', I noticed you missed my questions. Thanks for that.
Lozzer wrote: She was killing the puppies, it was an act of cruelty.
Good of you to make that decision based on a few seconds of video. Even better of you to share it.
Lozzer wrote: You can clearly hear going 'weeee' as she did it. It was for entertainment, not a contestable necessity for well-being of the animals.
Have you ever worked at a slaughterhouse, Lozzer? Occasionally, workers go 'weeee' as they 'do it'. Trust me.
Is your hate equal to the young lady who kills a few one afternoon to a pork processing facility which can 'process' (love them euphemisms!) 6700 pigs in a 7.5h shift.
When you have had to kill an animal, how did you do it? Is hiring a hitman (veterenarian) to do it 'painlessly' more ethical than this method?
Lozzer wrote: Unlike third-world barbarians such as herself, here in Britain we put animals to sleep through veterinary application.
When you say 'we' do you mean you and some other folks who personally kill, or are you just taking some of the credit for others who do this (necessary) dirty work?
Lozzer wrote: We do this because we have a responsibility to our pets welfare. If she had to discard these animals for whatever reason, she should have never purchased the mother animal in the first place. If you have to do this, you're in no position for accepting the responsibility entailed through pet ownership.
So you know that she purchased a mother animal?
Or are you making some assumptions because you already don't like her anyway? Maybe just a little?
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A bit harsh, but true enough.

To the poster who put it up - please take it down.
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I didn't omit your question.

Should she have recorded more than the 40 seconds that she did, maybe I'd have more to go by. It's fair to extrapolate that from the briefness of the clip, she had no intention of journaling anything other than the cruelty.

Now who's making assumptions? Slaughter house workers are professionals, they aren't committed to the job for recreational purposes.
I worked in several slaughterhouses. I can comment on specifics from each. What does 'professionals' mean?
Lozzer wrote:
Pigs aren't domestic animals.

So it's a step too far to presume that these puppies had a mother? Maybe you think it's more reasonable to believe they just miraculously manifested out of thin air? Or maybe they were stolen?
You seemed to assume the mother was the girl's responsibility.
It could have been her Dad who said 'go toss these in the river'. Maybe it's his responsibility you are pinning on her.

The girl may be responsible for killing a bit callously, but there is no reason to think a young teenaged girl ought to be responsible for spaying the family pet. (in one imagined scenario)

Pigs are smarter than dogs (and tastier!) and are as 'domestic' as anything else.

She did a bucket of puppies once. Those Olymel fuckers do a few thousand a day.
Dogs are tastier than pigs btw. Sure it is horrible to throw puppies in the river, this is not an isolated incident though. Animals are tortured everyday en mass in slaughterhouses every minute of every day. On many animal rights sites you can see videos of it, pigs, cows, chickens being beaten while people laugh their asses off. Animal torture also occurs in circuses all over the world, in leather production etc.
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sandinista wrote:Sure it is horrible to throw puppies in the river, this is not an isolated incident though.
The filming (which someone pointed out may not be the girls fault) makes it special to those who would like to rage impotently on the net.
sandinista wrote:Animals are tortured everyday en mass in slaughterhouses every minute of every day. On many animal rights sites you can see videos of it, pigs, cows, chickens being beaten while people laugh their asses off. Animal torture also occurs in circuses all over the world, in leather production etc.
It's a damned good thing some folks are doing something about it. People like Temple Grandin really make a difference.

There are also some idiots like ALF and PETA who make a lot of noise and accomplish very little. I hope you are more of the Temple Grandin kind of help than the cowardly ALF and PETA kind of help.
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RuleBritannia wrote:
Cunt wrote:What about the well-known black humour of ER nurses?
Joking about something and actually doing it are not the same thing.
Actually, based on my (brief) experience of working at the ER and in intensive care, and on life-long listening to those first responders, trauma/accident/disaster journalists, policemen, fire fighters, and pathologists whom I know, black humor is an almost necessary survival mechanism if one has to deal with the suffering of others daily. If you don't learn to "laugh" (or rather: wryly grin) at at least some of it, you go mad. BUT! if you're a professional, you make damn sure that you don't say any of that stuff when victims/patients or their near and dear are within earshot.

If I really had to kill a puppy, I would use a technique I am thoroughly familiar with, i.e. the same I use on the fish I catch: first club them unconscious (hard), then slit the throat (carotid arteries) quickly and with a very sharp knife. But I would be ready to pay quite a lot to have a vet do it their way, and before that do all I can to find alternatives to putting them down.

The video was nauseating even without sound. Very hard to understand.
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