A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent

[Robert_S]

Rightly or wrongly (and there is debate as to which) the entire thread was removed.

The current staff policy is to remove threads if the entire premise for the thread breaches the FUA. This does not happen very often.

The staff also remove individual posts from threads at times.

And that was posted in the official modnote format. Be prepared for a bit of backpedalling. Claiming that removal from public access is not the same as deletion will be the next logical step, but guess what? Functionally speaking, there is no difference between the two.

Except there is.

If the only people who are ever privy to that removed thread are the moderators, then essentially it is the same as removing an entire thread, unless it's reinstated. Do you honestly believe it would ever reinstated? They would have to admit they made a mistake to do that.

Has there ever been a case where this has happened, or has there ever been much of an outcry over a particular binned thread?

[Fallible]

If the only people who are ever privy to that removed thread are the moderators, then essentially it is the same as removing an entire thread, unless it's reinstated.

Warren Dew claimed erroneously that he has had posts deleted. He has in fact had zero posts deleted.

A removed post exists and can be reinstated. A deleted post does not exist and cannot be reinstated. These cows are very small. Those out there are far away.

Do you honestly believe it would ever reinstated?

That's a separate issue, and has nothing whatsoever to do with whether deleting and removing are the same.

Yes, if there was enough of a case. But then I am actually privy to what goes on, and not just repeating stuff I happened to have read some people saying on teh interwebz and decided is probably true.

. They would have to admit they made a mistake to do that.

Amagad, amagad! Teh eebil RatSkep modz!!1 Warnings have been rescinded when it has been agreed that a mistake had been made. Some time ago, one of our mods suffered a momentary lapse and requested someone go forth and multiply. Not that it was a patch on your own Pappa's little shit-squirt there, but nevertheless in double quick time, the moderator in question issued a public apology. Not something I've seen happen here yet, by the way. But then I guess he would have to admit he made a mistake to do that. A couple of months back, I accidentally clicked 'edit' rather than 'quote' when I replied to a member's post and managed to delete half of it. That was the only thing I ever deleted, and that was an accident. Guess what? I typed a big red public apology.

Any more little factoids picked up because someone with a cob on typed some stuff on teh interwebz which you would like addressed with facts, or will that be all?

Oh and LaMont, I know why you were banned from RatSkep. Yes...

The Fallible knows...

[Tigger]

If the only people who are ever privy to that removed thread are the moderators, then essentially it is the same as removing an entire thread, unless it's reinstated.

Warren Dew claimed erroneously that he has had posts deleted. He has in fact had zero posts deleted.

A removed post exists and can be reinstated. A deleted post does not exist and cannot be reinstated. These cows are very small. Those out there are far away.

Do you honestly believe it would ever reinstated?

That's a separate issue, and has nothing whatsoever to do with whether deleting and removing are the same.

Yes, if there was enough of a case. But then I am actually privy to what goes on, and not just repeating stuff I happened to have read some people saying on teh interwebz and decided is probably true.

. They would have to admit they made a mistake to do that.

Amagad, amagad! Teh eebil RatSkep modz!!1 Warnings have been rescinded when it has been agreed that a mistake had been made. Some time ago, one of our mods suffered a momentary lapse and requested someone go forth and multiply. Not that it was a patch on your own Pappa's little shit-squirt there, but nevertheless in double quick time, the moderator in question issued a public apology. Not something I've seen happen here yet, by the way. But then I guess he would have to admit he made a mistake to do that. A couple of months back, I accidentally clicked 'edit' rather than 'quote' when I replied to a member's post and managed to delete half of it. That was the only thing I ever deleted, and that was an accident. Guess what? I typed a big red public apology.

Any more little factoids picked up because someone with a cob on typed some stuff on teh interwebz which you would like addressed with facts, or will that be all?

Oh and LaMont, I know why you were banned from RatSkep. Yes...

The Fallible knows...

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

[Fallible]

Oh well we're all fucked then.

[kiki5711]

on no, it's switching to a fern langwich

[Robert_S]

on no, it's switching to a fern langwich

My mom always told me that when the ferns or any other household plants start talking, then it's rehab time.

[Fallible]

[lordpasternack]

I am rather let down by Pappa's outburst. A lot of us are. We also suspect that he was likely rather drunk at the time, can't speak now because he's suspended, and will likely say something when he returns, sober and better balanced.

As I already stated, I'm not personally involved in any dispute here, regret that members have voluntarily left, and want nothing to do with the acrimony.

[maiforpeace]

If the only people who are ever privy to that removed thread are the moderators, then essentially it is the same as removing an entire thread, unless it's reinstated.

Warren Dew claimed erroneously that he has had posts deleted. He has in fact had zero posts deleted.

A removed post exists and can be reinstated. A deleted post does not exist and cannot be reinstated. These cows are very small. Those out there are far away.

Well then, if Warren claims they were removed and they weren't, then I expect he can repost them. Shouldn't be a problem. And if those cows are small and far away, why are you making a big deal about it?

Do you honestly believe it would ever reinstated?

That's a separate issue, and has nothing whatsoever to do with whether deleting and removing are the same.

And in my opinion, the more important one any way. This is probably very simplistic of me, but removing an entire thread, after it has gone on for a while just makes ZERO sense to me. Removing it after a post or two, maybe, but even then it's problematic to me. It just reeks of censorship.

. They would have to admit they made a mistake to do that.

Amagad, amagad! Teh eebil RatSkep modz!!1 Warnings have been rescinded when it has been agreed that a mistake had been made. Some time ago, one of our mods suffered a momentary lapse and requested someone go forth and multiply. Not that it was a patch on your own Pappa's little shit-squirt there, but nevertheless in double quick time, the moderator in question issued a public apology. Not something I've seen happen here yet, by the way. But then I guess he would have to admit he made a mistake to do that. A couple of months back, I accidentally clicked 'edit' rather than 'quote' when I replied to a member's post and managed to delete half of it. That was the only thing I ever deleted, and that was an accident. Guess what? I typed a big red public apology.

Any more little factoids picked up because someone with a cob on typed some stuff on teh interwebz which you would like addressed with facts, or will that be all?

Oh and LaMont, I know why you were banned from RatSkep. Yes...

The Fallible knows...

Unfortunately I only have a self appointed representative moderator of RS that has posted over here to go by as an example. So, you're right, I unfairly painted the rest of the RS moderator team with the same brush.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 25#p571458

I know of several other cases where moderators issued apologies for mistakes in both technical errors, judgement, or posts they made, but I can't be arsed to track them down.

[Rum]

I am rather let down by Pappa's outburst. A lot of us are. We also suspect that he was likely rather drunk at the time, can't speak now because he's suspended, and will likely say something when he returns, sober and better balanced.

As I already stated, I'm not personally involved in any dispute here, regret that members have voluntarily left, and want nothing to do with the acrimony.

I'm with LP. And I am glad to see this is fizzling out (I hope) at last. I have just skim read the last 39 pages to make sure I understood what this was all about..and I am astonished that I - and the rest of us have expended so much energy on it.

I can only conclude what we already know - dramaz is fun but potentially very destructive. :sighsm:

[kiki5711]

on no, it's switching to a fern langwich

My mom always told me that when the ferns or any other household plants start talking, then it's rehab time.

[maiforpeace]

I am rather let down by Pappa's outburst. A lot of us are. We also suspect that he was likely rather drunk at the time, can't speak now because he's suspended, and will likely say something when he returns, sober and better balanced.

As I already stated, I'm not personally involved in any dispute here, regret that members have voluntarily left, and want nothing to do with the acrimony.

I'm with LP. And I am glad to see this is fizzling out (I hope) at last. I have just skim read the last 39 pages to make sure I understood what this was all about..and I am astonished that I - and the rest of us have expended so much energy on it.

I can only conclude what we already know - dramaz is fun but potentially very destructive. :sighsm:

If it were your drama Rum, you might feel differently.

Drama is potentially very destructive, but it can also be instructive, and constructive.

[Gallstones]

Yeah I'm done here too.

I didn't post that much but I did lurk and I have donated.

Starr is my friend, and Pappa is an Admin, if he had apologised and said 'Sorry that was out of order, but I do think you are totally wrong' and listed why then I could remain here.

He didn't, he even gloated about how he had reported himself, so he clearly meant for the insult to remain because he knew the punishment would be minor (24 hours off whoopee do).

Either way, I don't want anything to do with the place anymore.

Suspend my account too please.

Deja vu all hypocritically over again.

[Rum]

I am rather let down by Pappa's outburst. A lot of us are. We also suspect that he was likely rather drunk at the time, can't speak now because he's suspended, and will likely say something when he returns, sober and better balanced.

As I already stated, I'm not personally involved in any dispute here, regret that members have voluntarily left, and want nothing to do with the acrimony.

I'm with LP. And I am glad to see this is fizzling out (I hope) at last. I have just skim read the last 39 pages to make sure I understood what this was all about..and I am astonished that I - and the rest of us have expended so much energy on it.

I can only conclude what we already know - dramaz is fun but potentially very destructive. :sighsm:

If it were your drama Rum, you might feel differently.

Drama is potentially very destructive, but it can also be instructive, and constructive.

Well my précis is as follows:-

1. Peeps from RS come over here and complain about modding arrangments, style and 'strictness'. Shame they can't do so over there, but there ya go.
2. Some other RS members arrive and disagree.
3. Members who spend more time here than there but have a foot in both camps argue about the modding over there.
4. Members from here who don't know anything about RS throw a few random argumentative comments in.
5. Their 'deputy senior mod' (ffs sake what is that supposed to be!?) comes over and argues their case.
6. Our mods and their mod have a shit throwing competition about the best modding and rules and crap.
7. A number of people throw their dummies out of their prams.
8. People pull their thumbs out of their arses wonder what the next drama fun thing will be about.

[Pensioner]

I am rather let down by Pappa's outburst. A lot of us are. We also suspect that he was likely rather drunk at the time, can't speak now because he's suspended, and will likely say something when he returns, sober and better balanced.

As I already stated, I'm not personally involved in any dispute here, regret that members have voluntarily left, and want nothing to do with the acrimony.

I'm with LP. And I am glad to see this is fizzling out (I hope) at last. I have just skim read the last 39 pages to make sure I understood what this was all about..and I am astonished that I - and the rest of us have expended so much energy on it.

I can only conclude what we already know - dramaz is fun but potentially very destructive. :sighsm:

If it were your drama Rum, you might feel differently.

Drama is potentially very destructive, but it can also be instructive, and constructive.

Well my précis is as follows:-

1. Peeps from RS come over here and complain about modding arrangments, style and 'strictness'. Shame they can't do so over there, but there ya go.
2. Some other RS members arrive and disagree.
3. Members who spend more time here than there but have a foot in both camps argue about the modding over there.
4. Members from here who don't know anything about RS throw a few random argumentative comments in.
5. Their 'deputy senior mod' (ffs sake what is that supposed to be!?) comes over and argues their case.
6. Our mods and their mod have a shit throwing competition about the best modding and rules and crap.
7. A number of people throw their dummies out of their prams.
8. People pull their thumbs out of their arses wonder what the next drama fun thing will be about.

Good summary Rum.