Suicide intervention discussion

[Gallstones]

Most people would agree that we should prevent someone being murdered, if we can.
What about a schizophrenic? Where someone has a real split personality? Should we prevent the one who want's to end it all, to save the one that wants to live?

If so, aren't we all a little bit schizoid? We want on thing one minute, another the next. Especially if we are contemplating suicide. Shouldn't we protect the rational side from the suicidal side?
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Schizophrenia =/= multiple personality disorder.

Being one thing one minute and another the next is more like bipolar--as you describe it.


That spare period is irritating the hell out of us, and one of my personalities is feeling homicidal.

[Gallstones]

Here's the thing, suicide can't be prevented. The system that is in place to intervene and assist is very limited and one need not be above average in intelligence to figure out how to circumvent that system if one is determined.

[SpeedOfSound]

I don't know for sure but when I was using, suicide is what I decided had to happen and I think I was right. I stumbled into sobriety somehow and my life has been incredible ever since. Still, if I had not so stumbled, then I think blowing my head off was the logical thing to do.

If I had a serious brain disorder which was due to bad genes or the ultimate chemical imbalance and my life was a miserable mess I would think that suicide was a logical thing to do and my right.

Life is not a precious metal that we need to horde at any cost of pain and suffering. It starts, it ends, and it's all good.

[Cunt]

Who decides what is 'rational'?

You tell me. Or do you not care whether a person is rational or not?

I don't think it's my decision to make.

Do you think that a person who appears clearly irrational to others should be allowed to commit suicide?

Rodger Young defied rational orders and suicided - accomplishing what no rational person would have thought he could.

What if it was a chemical imbalance? Would you cure him?

If chemicals can change suicidal intentions, then they can also cause them. This is well documented, it's been shown over and over again in double blind trials, and warnings are printed on many medications saying that the patient should immediatly stop taking it, if they experience thoughts of suicide. I've read it myself on something I was taking, that was nothing to do with mental health or moods.

I would recommend the same thing. Get rid of those thoughts.

If chemicals you ingest can cause this, then so can chemicals that your body produces. I think I mentioned before that my mother went through hell, before a hysterectomy changed her life.

My nephew also had a terrible time, in his late teens, and my sister was terrified he would end it all. It disappeared when he stopped taking an acne treatment. But that treatment was apparently responsible for many deaths.

Do you think suicide can ever be the right answer, if the thoughts are due to chemical imbalance?

You would have to ask the person who was considering suicide. I think it's a very individual thing.

Plus, I see you are back, does that mean you have decided to accept my answer

I didn't know you had one.

Cunt, I didn't ask you about people you "know", or say you knew. If you have to answer a different question, in order to give the answer you want to write, you're just as do-dally as the cunt who can't remember.
Either way, there's no point in continuing.
Bye.
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I did answer your question. In the same post, actually. Did you read this part:

As to those strangers you elect to pass your (foul, insulting) judgement on, I will not judge.

I won't be judgemental. Do you want me to say how many were 'impulse' suicides? It is going to take me an awfully long time to get there. I would have to know what qualified as 'impulse', then find a way to measure those qualities and likely hire a statistician to help collect and understand the data.

The way you were using it was not in any clear kind of way, it was simply a way of being insulting (effectively) all the members of a group you don't agree with.

Sorry you can't seem to respect people's freedom of choice. I hope you get over it.[/quote]
Do you remember now?

If you want to rephrase your question, go ahead.

and move forward?

Not in the direction you're pointing.

What's your answer to the schizophrenic question. Should you stop someone, if only one side wants to end it all?
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I think the two personalities would have to decide between them.

Oh, and your understanding of mental illness could use some work.

[Feck]

With all due respect, thinking that someone who wants to commit suicide is capable of making that decision rationally is just fucking ignorant.
Unless you're terminally ill, suicide is not a logical decision.

Expressing the opinion that terminal illness is the only valid 'excuse' for suicide is worse than ignorant . I've said it before in this thread.... MY life , my skin, my body . I didn't choose to be born I will choose how I leave this life on MY terms .

[Trolldor]

You're free to choose how you die, but that doesn't mean it's rational or logical.

The only reason being terminally ill is a logical ground is because you're going to die anyway and most probably experience some pain and agony beforehand, so it's the only clear time that you'd be able to rationally decide whether or not to end your life sooner.

[Feck]

Why do we live our lives ? since we are just DNA and I have chosen not to let mine pass on I think your logic fails ......

[Trolldor]

Survival Instinct. If you've given it up without just cause, then you aren't rational.

[Gallstones]

I don't know for sure but when I was using, suicide is what I decided had to happen and I think I was right. I stumbled into sobriety somehow and my life has been incredible ever since. Still, if I had not so stumbled, then I think blowing my head off was the logical thing to do.

If I had a serious brain disorder which was due to bad genes or the ultimate chemical imbalance and my life was a miserable mess I would think that suicide was a logical thing to do and my right.

Life is not a precious metal that we need to horde at any cost of pain and suffering. It starts, it ends, and it's all good.

I never entertained suicide until I stopped using.

Now I drink for the reasons I mentioned in an earlier post, to cut the top off the intensity, for relief enough to bear another day.

[Gallstones]

Survival Instinct. If you've given it up without just cause, then you aren't rational.

Death is inevitable for every single one of us. Why must it be natural? Why not self caused regardless of whether one is rational or not. I don't think it can be said with certainty that suicide is necessarily irrational. Some people spend years reasoning about it, the why the how and when.

[Feck]

Survival Instinct. If you've given it up without just cause, then you aren't rational.

Oh so now all human instincts become rational do they ? Massive FAIL in your rationality there, Humans defy their instincts at every turn , but that one you assume that one is sacred ?

Tell your DNA to fuck off , suicide it's the last chance you have to prove your mind controls your body, that Humans are more than eating sleeping fucking !

[Trolldor]

Yes, well, "eating, sleeping, fucking and suicidal" isn't exactly a label I'd like to adopt.

[mistermack]

Thanks cunt, I was beginning to forget what a make-believe world you inhabit.
I hope you never encounter the real world, you could do each other some REAL damage. I must try to improve my short term memory. Bye.

[kiki5711]

I don't know for sure but when I was using, suicide is what I decided had to happen and I think I was right. I stumbled into sobriety somehow and my life has been incredible ever since. Still, if I had not so stumbled, then I think blowing my head off was the logical thing to do.

If I had a serious brain disorder which was due to bad genes or the ultimate chemical imbalance and my life was a miserable mess I would think that suicide was a logical thing to do and my right.

Life is not a precious metal that we need to horde at any cost of pain and suffering. It starts, it ends, and it's all good.

I never entertained suicide until I stopped using.

Now I drink for the reasons I mentioned in an earlier post, to cut the top off the intensity, for relief enough to bear another day.

Galls,



I was wondering, but I didn't want to be nosy, "why"?

[Cunt]

Once again, I showed him that I did answer as best I could, and he goes away...

Is there some rule about Shakers that applies here?