A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent

[pErvinalia]

This is a personal attack: <snip>

Surely you're not claiming moderator bias here!!1111!one!11

If you think these were personal attacks, report them. Mods discuss these reports and are more than happy to give you the reason why we see something as an attack or not.

I don't feel the need to report them. I don't really care at the moment, as I'm not a regular contributor here. But it was more in answer to the mod who pinged me suggesting that there weren't any other personal attacks in this thread. There certainly are, and those were only the ones associated with me. I reckon there are probably a good few others floating around.

[Fallible]

I would actually be pretty interested to hear how the quotes which rEvolutionist highlighted are not personal attacks.

[leo-rcc]

Well lets take a look:

This is a personal attack:

However, your attempts to attribute words like that to myself and others speak volumes about your own defensiveness and the weakness of your arguments.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 25#p569528

This is a observation of your posting behavior, not your person.

So is this:

Your true colors have finally come out. Lamont is a person of quality you'll never be.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569767

Posting about holding someone else in higher regard as you is not a personal attack.

And so is this:

I have made comments about the general attitude of some of the decision makes at ratskep, and, as far as I know, you don't pack the weight to be one of those people.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569808

That you have to explain to me how you could even possibly construe this as a personal attack.

This too:

AFter spouting your foul mouth, you have the nerve!!! This is what I'm talking about happening over there! People like you have the nerve to complain but just luuuuv to insult in a sneaky dirty way. At least I say what I mean.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569816

This is a reflecton on how Kiki sees posters of Ratskep, in which she includes you. We do not see group attacks as personal attacks, as voted upon by our membership.

And Durro points out another one too:
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569876

All of Durro's complaints have been looked at and Durro has been informed of our decisions.

[pErvinalia]

Well lets take a look:

This is a personal attack:

However, your attempts to attribute words like that to myself and others speak volumes about your own defensiveness and the weakness of your arguments.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 25#p569528

This is a observation of your posting behavior, not your person.

Sounds fair.

So is this:

Your true colors have finally come out. Lamont is a person of quality you'll never be.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569767

Posting about holding someone else in higher regard as you is not a personal attack.

She said that I, AS A PERSON (not my arguments), will NEVER be of a certain quality. That is a direct attack on my person.

And so is this:

I have made comments about the general attitude of some of the decision makes at ratskep, and, as far as I know, you don't pack the weight to be one of those people.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569808

That you have to explain to me how you could even possibly construe this as a personal attack.

"you don't pack the weight". How on earth is that not an attack on my person?

This too:

AFter spouting your foul mouth, you have the nerve!!! This is what I'm talking about happening over there! People like you have the nerve to complain but just luuuuv to insult in a sneaky dirty way. At least I say what I mean.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569816

This is a reflecton on how Kiki sees posters of Ratskep, in which she includes you. We do not see group attacks as personal attacks, as voted upon by our membership.

"People LIKE YOU...sneaky dirty way". That's an attack on my person.

And Durro points out another one too:
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569876

All of Durro's complaints have been looked at and Durro has been informed of our decisions.

[/quote]

That's nice, but it's still an attack on the integrity of the moderators at ratskep, some of which post here (including Durro) - a fact that Lamont knows.

[starr]

And Durro points out another one too:
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569876

All of Durro's complaints have been looked at and Durro has been informed of our decisions.

Can I be informed of the decisions with regard to that one too please? Is the staff ruling on that one a secret?

[Fallible]

Well you mods are certainly creative. I'd like to say 'good effort', but it isn't. Some of those are clear personal attacks. Shame about the bias here, I expected better after all the self-congratulation.

[Rum]

What a waste of fucking time.

[starr]

What a waste of fucking time.

Yeah .... we should all be using this time for fucking

[Fallible]

I see you have assumed the position in anticipation.

[starr]

I see you have assumed the position in anticipation.

[Tigger]

rEvolutionist, you should know our rules on personal attacks here. Post anything like this post (http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 51#p569751) again and you will receive a suspension. There are no other posts in this thread that need investigating for personal attacks, so please don’t misapply erroneous tit-for-tat measures of your own. The guideline is here. Again. http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 9#personal

This is a personal attack:

However, your attempts to attribute words like that to myself and others speak volumes about your own defensiveness and the weakness of your arguments.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 25#p569528

So is this:

Your true colors have finally come out. Lamont is a person of quality you'll never be.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569767

And so is this:

I have made comments about the general attitude of some of the decision makes at ratskep, and, as far as I know, you don't pack the weight to be one of those people.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569808

This too:

AFter spouting your foul mouth, you have the nerve!!! This is what I'm talking about happening over there! People like you have the nerve to complain but just luuuuv to insult in a sneaky dirty way. At least I say what I mean.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569816

And Durro points out another one too:
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569876

When I said "There are no other posts in this thread that need investigating for personal attacks", I meant that none had been reported. If you disagree, please report them. Really.

I would actually be pretty interested to hear how the quotes which rEvolutionist highlighted are not personal attacks.

Well you mods are certainly creative. I'd like to say 'good effort', but it isn't. Some of those are clear personal attacks. Shame about the bias here, I expected better after all the self-congratulation.

Or you can report them

[pErvinalia]

rEvolutionist, you should know our rules on personal attacks here. Post anything like this post (http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 51#p569751) again and you will receive a suspension. There are no other posts in this thread that need investigating for personal attacks, so please don’t misapply erroneous tit-for-tat measures of your own. The guideline is here. Again. http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 9#personal

This is a personal attack:

However, your attempts to attribute words like that to myself and others speak volumes about your own defensiveness and the weakness of your arguments.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 25#p569528

So is this:

Your true colors have finally come out. Lamont is a person of quality you'll never be.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569767

And so is this:

I have made comments about the general attitude of some of the decision makes at ratskep, and, as far as I know, you don't pack the weight to be one of those people.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569808

This too:

AFter spouting your foul mouth, you have the nerve!!! This is what I'm talking about happening over there! People like you have the nerve to complain but just luuuuv to insult in a sneaky dirty way. At least I say what I mean.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569816

And Durro points out another one too:
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569876

When I said "There are no other posts in this thread that need investigating for personal attacks", I meant that none had been reported. If you disagree, please report them. Really.

Ah ok no worries. But as I said, I'm not too worried given that i'm not a regular contributor here (and this thread hasn't really brought the best out in all of us I think).

[pErvinalia]

I see you have assumed the position in anticipation.

Yeah Starr. You're a bit raunchier over here....

[starr]

I see you have assumed the position in anticipation.

Yeah Starr. You're a bit raunchier over here....

I am able to modify my posting style to suit the forum in which I am posting.

[devogue]

In response to the person/people who asked for evidence of post deletions at RatSkep, I don't have any. The claim was based on two things: hearsay and my own belief that RatSkep staff are running that forum the same way the RDF forum was run.

I don't remember post deletion being used as a purposeful moderation technique on Rational Skepticism, but I don't remember it on the Richard Dawkins Forums, either. A couple of my posts have been deleted from Rational Skepticism in thread splits, but they were posts that were made moot by the splits anyway. I don't know whether those deletions were purposeful or accidental, but I personally don't see it as part of the problem there.

And so it goes. Here is the truth - none of your posts were deleted. Posts are not deleted, precisely because of what happened at RD.net.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/feedb ... ed#p381600

Rightly or wrongly (and there is debate as to which) the entire thread was removed.