A Possible Change In The Rules - RatSkep tangent

[Bella Fortuna]

Just have to say that Durro =



As you were.

[Warren Dew]

In response to the person/people who asked for evidence of post deletions at RatSkep, I don't have any. The claim was based on two things: hearsay and my own belief that RatSkep staff are running that forum the same way the RDF forum was run.

I don't remember post deletion being used as a purposeful moderation technique on Rational Skepticism, but I don't remember it on the Richard Dawkins Forums, either. A couple of my posts have been deleted from Rational Skepticism in thread splits, but they were posts that were made moot by the splits anyway. I don't know whether those deletions were purposeful or accidental, but I personally don't see it as part of the problem there.

[Hermit]

In response to the person/people who asked for evidence of post deletions at RatSkep, I don't have any. The claim was based on two things: hearsay and my own belief that RatSkep staff are running that forum the same way the RDF forum was run.

I don't remember post deletion being used as a purposeful moderation technique on Rational Skepticism, but I don't remember it on the Richard Dawkins Forums, either. A couple of my posts have been deleted from Rational Skepticism in thread splits, but they were posts that were made moot by the splits anyway. I don't know whether those deletions were purposeful or accidental, but I personally don't see it as part of the problem there.

I think the policy at RDFI to move posts that were deemed unacceptable into an area of the forum that was visible only to moderators and administrators, constitutes de facto deletion. Then there was the mass culling of the 'feral' off topic and veterans' sections.

I don't know if anything like that happens at RDFII because I don't look at that forum a lot. Most of the time I find myself reading stuff in there after clicking on some link to it in other places.

[pErvinalia]

...there are a number of members here who almost have an immediate orgasm from the sheer excitement of it all.

Please don't get too excited now. rEvolutionist and cohort had things well and truly in hand for quite a while before you joined the discussion, though apparently any solution is yet to come.

Bit of a nerve to describe us as orgasmically excited about Ratskep drama when this thread was foisted on us via derailment of another - funnily enough concerning exploration for a rule change in this forum - thread by a former RDF MarkI /RDF MarkII moderator. Before we knew it, Ratzkep members who have not posted here for months piled in to douse Gallstones' little fire with petrol, and now you are adding ethanol by accusing us of - what exactly? Having to rely on Ratzkep for our dose of drama? Get real! We have Gertie, Lozzer and many others to supply us with the home grown stuff.

Why don't all of you who seem to only post here when someone from Ratskep imports an issue to Rationalia emulate Made of Stars and ozewiezeloose, and simply confine your postings to the forums you are more comfortable with? You'd be surprised how small this - now almost 700 post-long - derail would have been by the time it petered out. rEvolutionist's absence alone would have probably cut it down by a quarter.

[pErvinalia]

In response to the person/people who asked for evidence of post deletions at RatSkep, I don't have any. The claim was based on two things: hearsay and my own belief that RatSkep staff are running that forum the same way the RDF forum was run. I concede that I may have been wrong on that point so I withdraw it. If RatSkep staff don't delete, remove or edit posts, or otherwise fiddle about with posting history, that's a point in their favour.

Thank you finally for someone having the guts to come out and admit that some of their assertions are baseless. Now if the rest of the mudslingers would come over to ratskep and see how things are really run, then we might get some more honesty in this thread.

[leo-rcc]

There is no way for me to join RatSkep. If there was I would have long ago.

[pErvinalia]

rEvolutionist, you should know our rules on personal attacks here. Post anything like this post (http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 51#p569751) again and you will receive a suspension. There are no other posts in this thread that need investigating for personal attacks, so please don’t misapply erroneous tit-for-tat measures of your own. The guideline is here. Again. http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 9#personal

This is a personal attack:

However, your attempts to attribute words like that to myself and others speak volumes about your own defensiveness and the weakness of your arguments.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 25#p569528

So is this:

Your true colors have finally come out. Lamont is a person of quality you'll never be.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569767

And so is this:

I have made comments about the general attitude of some of the decision makes at ratskep, and, as far as I know, you don't pack the weight to be one of those people.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569808

This too:

AFter spouting your foul mouth, you have the nerve!!! This is what I'm talking about happening over there! People like you have the nerve to complain but just luuuuv to insult in a sneaky dirty way. At least I say what I mean.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569816

And Durro points out another one too:
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 50#p569876

[pErvinalia]

There is no way for me to join RatSkep. If there was I would have long ago.

What do you mean?

[Fallible]

In response to the person/people who asked for evidence of post deletions at RatSkep, I don't have any. The claim was based on two things: hearsay and my own belief that RatSkep staff are running that forum the same way the RDF forum was run.

I don't remember post deletion being used as a purposeful moderation technique on Rational Skepticism, but I don't remember it on the Richard Dawkins Forums, either. A couple of my posts have been deleted from Rational Skepticism in thread splits, but they were posts that were made moot by the splits anyway. I don't know whether those deletions were purposeful or accidental, but I personally don't see it as part of the problem there.

And so it goes. Here is the truth - none of your posts were deleted. Posts are not deleted, precisely because of what happened at RD.net.

[Fallible]

This is a personal attack: <snip>

Surely you're not claiming moderator bias here!!1111!one!11

[pErvinalia]

This is a personal attack: <snip>

Surely you're not claiming moderator bias here!!1111!one!11

I'll tell you something I am claiming:
The have MUCH better smilies over here than we've got....

[Fallible]

Begrudgingly, I concur.

[leo-rcc]

There is no way for me to join RatSkep. If there was I would have long ago.

What do you mean?

A few months ago there was a link posted here to a thread of RatSkep that could have been interesting for me. When I clicked it it said I needed to log on, so I first went to see the user agreement as I always do on any new forum that I'm thinking of joining, and before I even got halfway it became very obvious to me that I could never agree to a FUA like that.

Now I would probably never get into trouble with moderators or admins of any forums so I might have gotten along fine on RatSkep, but if Idon't feel comfortable with the rules of a forum I should not join in my opinion.

[leo-rcc]

This is a personal attack: <snip>

Surely you're not claiming moderator bias here!!1111!one!11

If you think these were personal attacks, report them. Mods discuss these reports and are more than happy to give you the reason why we see something as an attack or not.

[pErvinalia]

There is no way for me to join RatSkep. If there was I would have long ago.

What do you mean?

A few months ago there was a link posted here to a thread of RatSkep that could have been interesting for me. When I clicked it it said I needed to log on, so I first went to see the user agreement as I always do on any new forum that I'm thinking of joining, and before I even got halfway it became very obvious to me that I could never agree to a FUA like that.

Now I would probably never get into trouble with moderators or admins of any forums so I might have gotten along fine on RatSkep, but if Idon't feel comfortable with the rules of a forum I should not join in my opinion.

Fairy nuff.