The Righteousness Of God

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The Righteousness Of God

Post by buschmaster » Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:43 am

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what makes God right?

because God is all powerful and all knowing? no, because there are people that are powerful or knowing, or both, and they can be horribly wrong about a lot of things. that isn't it.

because God can send you to hell? no, that's only a form of power. the same reasons above apply. and we all know people that can do very bad things to you, who aren't at all right.

because God has an indescribably large, wonderful, heavenly heaven to offer you? no, because there are people with nice large estates, jet airplanes, swimming pools, etc yet their personality would make you puke.

because God has said things that are morally right? no, because many other things have been said by people that are just as "right". things that are good and wise. in fact some things people came up with seem to be morally superior to whatever God has put forth. would you tell your followers to slaughter whole towns, men women and children, because they follow a different god? would you wrathfully kill your followers for simple, innocent mistakes, like accidentally looking at a representation of your holiness they're not supposed to? these are things no different than what the common man would do, so there is no indication that God has any higher morals than men.

because God is good? no, because leaving alone the opinion of whether what God does is actually good, it's well known that good people are sent to hell when they don't accept God. so "good" must not be God's own idea of right, therefore God must not claim that being good, in itself, makes someone right.

would popular opinion make God right? no, because God does not have the popular opinion. he would even say so himself. what his followers say about the popular opinion depends on the weather.

what makes anybody right? perhaps you could say that no human can be right, except for God.

but the followers of God say their God is right. therefore they must have some idea of what "right" is. they may be incapable of attaining the perfect righteousness of God, but still they must have an idea of what "right" is.

what is it?

they say that their God is right because he is all powerful, all knowing, can send you to hell, owns heaven, and says moral things.

those do not make God right.

the followers of God will oppress you, riducule you, damn you, even kill you, in the name of their God who is supposed to be right, but as we have seen, their suppositions are wrong. the fact that they can oppress you, ridicule you, damn you or even kill you does not make them right either.

so... what is it that makes God right?
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Re: The Righteousness Of God

Post by Rum » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:48 am

The use of caps to start sentences perhaps? :hehe:

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Re: The Righteousness Of God

Post by Randydeluxe » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:04 am

The word righteousness has a very specific meaning in Judeo-Christian philosophy, and it doesn't apply to god. It applies to people. The subject line of this thread is a bit nonsensical.

The word right is used in the OP repeatedly, and we might be tempted to take it in its' casual common meaning - correctly describing conditions - but for the title and subject matter, which leads to an alternate definition of right: short for righteous.

In my opinion, you should define your terms here.

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Re: The Righteousness Of God

Post by Feck » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:10 am

Haven't thought god was right or (righteous) since I was about 11 . I hated their god a long time before I disbelieved in him .Having a psychotic bully of a head master who used his twisted faith as one more way to inflict suffering on children helped with this idea (have since found out he was sexually abusing boys as well :eddy: ). When theists talk about loving their god I don't know what they mean ... Stockholm syndrome :dono:
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Re: The Righteousness Of God

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Re: The Righteousness Of God

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Re: The Righteousness Of God

Post by Feck » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:56 am

Theists would say that by definition everything god does is 'right' ,so there is no argument .

Several of the arguments for religion don't need a god :eddy:
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Re: The Righteousness Of God

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Re: The Righteousness Of God

Post by julietooo » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:07 am

buschmaster wrote:a person would think God is right before becoming a christian. always, in every case, no matter how it happens, whether young or old.
Not true. People who are Christians are usually brought up in a Christian household, and don't necessarily question whether God is 'right' at all.

A large number of Christians also have very limited knowledge of the Bible, and only know what they are told by their parents/in church, which is mainly the good stuff.

It is my understanding that once people learn the 'true nature' of God, ie. the fact that he is quite clearly an arsehole, they are often somewhat taken aback, which shows that people have their own moral code which is not God-given.

There are generally a few different responses to the learning that God is not actually as nice as people make out:

1) People are too indoctrinated to react and therefore defend God, saying that people deserve the atrocities committed against them by God;

2) People reject those parts of the scriptures & cherry-pick the things they like;

3) People start to move away from their beliefs.

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Re: The Righteousness Of God

Post by Randydeluxe » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:14 am

buschmaster wrote:
Randydeluxe wrote:The word righteousness has a very specific meaning in Judeo-Christian philosophy, and it doesn't apply to god. It applies to people. The subject line of this thread is a bit nonsensical.

In my opinion, you should define your terms here.
would you be right to tell me such things?

then you know what right is.
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Re: The Righteousness Of God

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Re: The Righteousness Of God

Post by devogue » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:19 pm

buschmaster wrote:this is hilarious. you don't know what it is to be right? everything you do is awash in right and wrong. every single thing, every last iota, and it all leads to your being right. same for everybody. everybody does what they think is right, and everybody thinks they're right in what they do. :funny:
Is shitting right or wrong?

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Re: The Righteousness Of God

Post by Svartalf » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:04 pm

What's that OP :bunny: ???

Is the new poster some kind of replacement for Mandy?
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Re: The Righteousness Of God

Post by Svartalf » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:04 pm

Gertie wrote:
buschmaster wrote:this is hilarious. you don't know what it is to be right? everything you do is awash in right and wrong. every single thing, every last iota, and it all leads to your being right. same for everybody. everybody does what they think is right, and everybody thinks they're right in what they do. :funny:
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Re: The Righteousness Of God

Post by camoguard » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:10 pm

Buschmaster, what do you expect on a forum of rabid atheists? Do you want someone to debate why we should believe in a God? Are you looking for practice? Are you venting because you finally found a forum where you can?

I'd be grateful if I could see some behind the scenes metadata to this conversation. You've said a lot of words, but I haven't seen a part that starts a conversation if you know what I mean. So I'm not sure where you're going with this.

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