Well, no shit. Thanks CNN.

[Svartalf]

Wrong thread, some mod ninja split while I was typing.

[Coito ergo sum]

To be fair, the Muslims didn't invent hate and discrimination, but the Muslims are to hate and discrimination as Bill Gates is to the personal computer.

That begs the question, who is to hate and discrimination what Steve Jobs is to the personal computer?

Semantic pedant regrets to inform you of your misuse of the term "begs the question." http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... it=begging

[Coito ergo sum]

wasn't it a bacon burger he was ordering during the infamous dijongate incident?

"Dijongate" was funny enough I had to look it up.

It was a cheeseburger. Do muslims have the same restrictions that jews do against mixing meat and milk? That's assuming there's any actual dairy in McDonald's processed "cheese", that is.

Seriously, though, the guy went to a Christian church, his policies reflect Christian values. I really don't see any reason to think Obama is other than Christian.

Don't preach to me, I know that he's likely christian, if his religion goes beyond showing up at church to please the voter.

and no, muslims don't have the flesh/dairy taboo, nor are they forbidden from eating all the seafood that practicing Jews cannot.

I think Obama's one small step short of atheism, like I was for a number of years.

Is that serious, or are you joking?

He's not even close to atheism. He's a Christian, all the way.

[maiforpeace]

wasn't it a bacon burger he was ordering during the infamous dijongate incident?

"Dijongate" was funny enough I had to look it up.

It was a cheeseburger. Do muslims have the same restrictions that jews do against mixing meat and milk? That's assuming there's any actual dairy in McDonald's processed "cheese", that is.

Seriously, though, the guy went to a Christian church, his policies reflect Christian values. I really don't see any reason to think Obama is other than Christian.

Don't preach to me, I know that he's likely christian, if his religion goes beyond showing up at church to please the voter.

and no, muslims don't have the flesh/dairy taboo, nor are they forbidden from eating all the seafood that practicing Jews cannot.

I think Obama's one small step short of atheism, like I was for a number of years.

Is that serious, or are you joking?

He's not even close to atheism. He's a Christian, all the way.

I think he's just speculating.

Obama has declared himself to be a christian, prays and goes to church. By all definition, he's a christian.

However there are a lot of people in the atheist community who think he's one step away from being an atheist, or is a christian solely for political reasons.

[Coito ergo sum]

I think he's just speculating.

Obama has declared himself to be a christian, prays and goes to church. By all definition, he's a christian.

However there are a lot of people in the atheist community who think he's one step away from being an atheist, or is a christian solely for political reasons.

There is no evidence for this "atheist except for political reasons," other than mere wishful thinking. I wish the guy was an atheist but pretending to be a Christian for political reasons. Nothing he does even remotely fits that, however.

If he was an atheist, why would he go to church more than Reagan and Bush the elder ever did?

Also, why would he expand - repeat EXPAND - and I mean dramatically expand - Bush's faith based initiative program. If he was an atheist for political reasons, surely just keeping Bush's faith based initiatives the same would be sufficient to grant him license to claim Christian status. But, no, he decided to go one better, and make a bigger religious splash.

Another example - Obama's support for the anti-blasphemy resolution in the UN, to protect religions against blasphemous and critical speech.

It is only because a good many atheists like and support Obama, and that he paid us lip-service in that one speech 18 months ago, that many of us "wish" he was only nominally Christian and was really (wink wink) one of us. I'll believe it when something meaningful, other than a mere footnote in a speech, indicates that he questions the existence of gods.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Obama has declared himself to be a christian, prays and goes to church. By all definition, he's a christian.

However there are a lot of people in the atheist community who think he's one step away from being an atheist, or is a christian solely for political reasons.

No different than most Americans, lip-service because he's "supposed to do that." America may have a lot of Christians, but it's not a Christian nation.

[Robert_S]

I think he's just speculating.

Obama has declared himself to be a christian, prays and goes to church. By all definition, he's a christian.

However there are a lot of people in the atheist community who think he's one step away from being an atheist, or is a christian solely for political reasons.

There is no evidence for this "atheist except for political reasons," other than mere wishful thinking. I wish the guy was an atheist but pretending to be a Christian for political reasons. Nothing he does even remotely fits that, however.

If he was an atheist, why would he go to church more than Reagan and Bush the elder ever did?

Also, why would he expand - repeat EXPAND - and I mean dramatically expand - Bush's faith based initiative program. If he was an atheist for political reasons, surely just keeping Bush's faith based initiatives the same would be sufficient to grant him license to claim Christian status. But, no, he decided to go one better, and make a bigger religious splash.

Another example - Obama's support for the anti-blasphemy resolution in the UN, to protect religions against blasphemous and critical speech.

It is only because a good many atheists like and support Obama, and that he paid us lip-service in that one speech 18 months ago, that many of us "wish" he was only nominally Christian and was really (wink wink) one of us. I'll believe it when something meaningful, other than a mere footnote in a speech, indicates that he questions the existence of gods.

He mentioned Tillich, that's why I said he's a small step away.

Unfortunately, I think he really does believe in belief.