America! We brought democracy to Iraq!

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America! We brought democracy to Iraq!

Post by PsychoSerenity » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:10 pm

We're going home! We won! It's over! America! We brought democracy to Iraq! I love you!
...and they all lived happily ever after. :roll:

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Post by mistermack » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:39 pm

Yeh, they're all off home, apart from a mere 50,000 troops, who are just there risking their lives so that the friends of George Bush get paid off on the crooked contracts that they imposed while they were dictators.
They call it a trillion dollar investment. It's atually just a trillion dollar rip-off.
And they said it wasn't about the oil!!
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Post by Trolldor » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:44 pm

And while you're raging about the US troop presence none of you are commenting on the insurgents who blew themselves up in the middle of the Iraqis attempting to sign up for the Iraqi army.

Typical.
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Post by maiforpeace » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:47 pm

The mainstream media has been having a field day with this...just wait until September 1 when they kick off the next operation. :roll:
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Post by FBM » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:04 pm

On deck: North Korea? :ask:
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Post by sandinista » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:50 pm

The withdrawal that isn't
ON THE surface, that appears to be case, but it's not in fact true. Obama plans to retain 50,000 soldiers in Iraq after the supposed withdrawal of combat troops. He is merely re-branding these remaining combat troops as advisers and trainers.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:54 pm

mistermack wrote:Yeh, they're all off home, apart from a mere 50,000 troops, who are just there risking their lives so that the friends of George Bush get paid off on the crooked contracts that they imposed while they were dictators.
They call it a trillion dollar investment. It's atually just a trillion dollar rip-off.
And they said it wasn't about the oil!!
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Ummm....how is it that George Bush still controls the military and Iraq operations, along with payments on "crooked contracts," now that the good guys have been in power since January, 2009?

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Post by Trolldor » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:55 pm

The best part is that the US's agreement means if Iraq wants them to leave they just have to tell them to. Just as it is with Japan and Germany.

But let's ignore that little caveat because it doesn't fit with our picture of the Imperialist Scum.
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Post by sandinista » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:58 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
mistermack wrote:Yeh, they're all off home, apart from a mere 50,000 troops, who are just there risking their lives so that the friends of George Bush get paid off on the crooked contracts that they imposed while they were dictators.
They call it a trillion dollar investment. It's atually just a trillion dollar rip-off.
And they said it wasn't about the oil!!
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Ummm....how is it that George Bush still controls the military and Iraq operations, along with payments on "crooked contracts," now that the good guys have been in power since January, 2009?
good guys? sarcasm detector going off? Damn things not working properly lately.
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Post by mistermack » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:24 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:The best part is that the US's agreement means if Iraq wants them to leave they just have to tell them to. Just as it is with Japan and Germany.

But let's ignore that little caveat because it doesn't fit with our picture of the Imperialist Scum.
Well that's pretty clear. I saw the Iraqis on the tv this evening saying the americans should piss off now. So I expect they'll all be off then. Or maybe not.
Maybe by Iraq you mean the iraqis who were put in power by the americans?
I'm sure THEY are going to ask them to leave. Like turkeys voting for christmas.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:03 pm

sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
mistermack wrote:Yeh, they're all off home, apart from a mere 50,000 troops, who are just there risking their lives so that the friends of George Bush get paid off on the crooked contracts that they imposed while they were dictators.
They call it a trillion dollar investment. It's atually just a trillion dollar rip-off.
And they said it wasn't about the oil!!
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Ummm....how is it that George Bush still controls the military and Iraq operations, along with payments on "crooked contracts," now that the good guys have been in power since January, 2009?
good guys? sarcasm detector going off? Damn things not working properly lately.
Yeah, good guys, at least as far as Obama's supporters were chanting in 2008 and 2009. He was going to close Guantanamo (check), bring our troops home by the end of 2009, with the exception of a "small number of troops to secure the embassy" (check), stop warrantless wiretapping, repeal the Patriot Act (or at least its "bad" parts), end rendition to foreign countries for interrogations (check), close CIA overseas prisons (check), fix the economy (check)....oh, wait... "check" means that thing got done.... lol :biggrin:

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:07 pm

mistermack wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:The best part is that the US's agreement means if Iraq wants them to leave they just have to tell them to. Just as it is with Japan and Germany.

But let's ignore that little caveat because it doesn't fit with our picture of the Imperialist Scum.
Well that's pretty clear. I saw the Iraqis on the tv this evening saying the americans should piss off now.
That depends which Iraqi you're talking about. They tend to want us out, but they tend to also not want what would immediately replace us if we move too soon or improperly.
mistermack wrote:[
So I expect they'll all be off then. Or maybe not.
Maybe by Iraq you mean the iraqis who were put in power by the americans?
Maybe the one's elected?

Oh, but that's right....The GOP controlled all the Diebold voting machines so there's no way they could fail to rig an election...err..ummm......hey....wait.....
mistermack wrote: I'm sure THEY are going to ask them to leave. Like turkeys voting for christmas.
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LOL - of course, the US is "all powerful" and they couldn't possibly get us to leave. Keep reassuring yourself that the US is the all powerful controller of all world affairs - it makes it easier for you to blame the US for everything. After all, if only the US would behave itself, all the world would be like a day at the beach, and the lions would lie down with the lambs......

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Post by Pensioner » Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:08 pm

The oil in Iraq should belong to the Iraqi people, not the Americans or BP or the Chinese or anyone else, and it should not belong to the corrupt Iraqi politicians. Some working class Iraqis are trying to set up non sectarian trade unions and they are being arrested, murdered and harassed just because they are opposed to giving the oil wealth away to the multi nationals and the corporations. Democracy my arse.

Just goggle “trade unions Iraq”.
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Re: America! We brought democracy to Iraq!

Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:19 pm

Pensioner wrote:The oil in Iraq should belong to the Iraqi people,
It does.
Pensioner wrote:
not the Americans or BP or the Chinese or anyone else,
Except when the Iraqis sell.
Pensioner wrote:
and it should not belong to the corrupt Iraqi politicians. Some working class Iraqis are trying to set up non sectarian trade unions and they are being arrested, murdered and harassed just because they are opposed to giving the oil wealth away to the multi nationals and the corporations.
Really? Who? Which multinationals are getting the free oil?

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Re: America! We brought democracy to Iraq!

Post by maiforpeace » Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:43 pm

Americans always have an ulterior motive, didn't you know that already CES?

I wonder what our ulterior motive is for providing the bulk of aid to devastated Pakistan... :ask:
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