Sorry Atheists, But Gods Are Perfectly Possible!!
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Sorry Atheists, But Gods Are Perfectly Possible!!
I should say fellow atheists, because I don't believe in any of the gods on offer, from any religion I've heard of.
But I think they are perfectly possible, and highly likely.
You have to define a god first. That's tricky, because every so-called god has different so-called powers.
I would say though, that the essentials for a god are immortality and magic. A mortal with magic powers would still not be a god. An immortal being, that couldn't do magic, would be fairly impressive, but that would soon fade.
So why do I argue that gods are possible? Well, we ourslves are part of the way there. We can now do incredible magic. ( as a species ).
We can fly to the moon, re-create the sun with an H bomb or fusion reactor, cure illnesses, transplant hearts etc.etc etc.
If I could go back in time ten thousand years, with a few carefully chosen accessories, I could easily pass as a god.
Here's my list.
1) AK47 and huge supply of bullets
2) Flame thrower and various lighters
3) Torch
4) Medical kit
5) Hang glider
You could make up your own list, but any combination of the above would virtually guarantee that the people you met would regard you as a god. The one thing that would let you down would be your mortality.
If you think of the size of the Universe, and the age of it, I would say that there MUST be aliens out there that would qualify as gods, if they arrived here.
How long will it be before medicine can make humans immortal? One thousand years? Ten thousand? That's nothing in terms of the universe.
There could be aliens out there with a FIVE-BILLION-YEAR start on us.
If that kind of alien arrived here, they would fully qualify as gods. Not the Christian one ( or three? ) that supposedly made the Universe, but probably way ahead of the greek or norse gods in what they could do.
I'm not speculating here, I really believe that such aliens MUST exist, given the age and size of the Universe, and the number of planets we are finding, and the vast quantities of organic molecules that are turning up in space and other worlds.
The only thing that is stopping them from saying hello is the vastness of the Universe, and the limiting speed of light.
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But I think they are perfectly possible, and highly likely.
You have to define a god first. That's tricky, because every so-called god has different so-called powers.
I would say though, that the essentials for a god are immortality and magic. A mortal with magic powers would still not be a god. An immortal being, that couldn't do magic, would be fairly impressive, but that would soon fade.
So why do I argue that gods are possible? Well, we ourslves are part of the way there. We can now do incredible magic. ( as a species ).
We can fly to the moon, re-create the sun with an H bomb or fusion reactor, cure illnesses, transplant hearts etc.etc etc.
If I could go back in time ten thousand years, with a few carefully chosen accessories, I could easily pass as a god.
Here's my list.
1) AK47 and huge supply of bullets
2) Flame thrower and various lighters
3) Torch
4) Medical kit
5) Hang glider
You could make up your own list, but any combination of the above would virtually guarantee that the people you met would regard you as a god. The one thing that would let you down would be your mortality.
If you think of the size of the Universe, and the age of it, I would say that there MUST be aliens out there that would qualify as gods, if they arrived here.
How long will it be before medicine can make humans immortal? One thousand years? Ten thousand? That's nothing in terms of the universe.
There could be aliens out there with a FIVE-BILLION-YEAR start on us.
If that kind of alien arrived here, they would fully qualify as gods. Not the Christian one ( or three? ) that supposedly made the Universe, but probably way ahead of the greek or norse gods in what they could do.
I'm not speculating here, I really believe that such aliens MUST exist, given the age and size of the Universe, and the number of planets we are finding, and the vast quantities of organic molecules that are turning up in space and other worlds.
The only thing that is stopping them from saying hello is the vastness of the Universe, and the limiting speed of light.
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Mistermack, you need to show that going back in time is possible. AND that your "gods" aren't just propped up by technology. I'm no god because I can fly through the air, cast lightning bolts at people and make visions appear on my TV.
So that's a fail for you. Sowwy.
So that's a fail for you. Sowwy.
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Thought of as gods by uninformed peoples of vastly lesser skills and techs DOES NOT EQUAL GOD Does it ? 





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You need to read my post again. You haven't understood much of it.Gawdzilla wrote:Mistermack, you need to show that going back in time is possible. AND that your "gods" aren't just propped up by technology. I'm no god because I can fly through the air, cast lightning bolts at people and make visions appear on my TV.
So that's a fail for you. Sowwy.
I'm not your teacher, so do it for yourself. It's perfectly clear.
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Everyones definition would be different. You say what YOU think makes a god.Feck wrote:Thought of as gods by uninformed peoples of vastly lesser skills and techs DOES NOT EQUAL GOD Does it ?
Most of the greek gods were definitely less powerful than an alien would be. If any aliens cracked immortality, they would certainly beat the greek and norse gods.
And immortality is nowhere near as far away as we might think. What will man be capable of in a thousand years time, with stem cells etc?
Or even robots made a thousand years from now. They could be immortal and incredibly powerful.
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I agree that given vast time and vast space there must be alien life (or was ,or will be ) but to assume that they are science and Tech based like us ???????
your thread title was deliberately misleading You meant to say that vastly superior Tech'ed aliens are perfectly possible ......a statement few would refute .
Gods by definition are supernatural .
your thread title was deliberately misleading You meant to say that vastly superior Tech'ed aliens are perfectly possible ......a statement few would refute .
Gods by definition are supernatural .




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That's a good point, but what is supernatural? As soon as it happens, it's natural.Feck wrote:I agree that given vast time and vast space there must be alien life (or was ,or will be ) but to assume that they are science and Tech based like us ???????
your thread title was deliberately misleading You meant to say that vastly superior Tech'ed aliens are perfectly possible ......a statement few would refute .
Gods by definition are supernatural .
I think I mean't supernatural when I said that they can do magic.
What's a god to one person wouldn't be to another.
Aliens could be super-anything that we call natural now.
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mistermack wrote:I should say fellow atheists, because I don't believe in any of the gods on offer, from any religion I've heard of.
But I think they are perfectly possible, and highly likely.
You have to define a god first. That's tricky, because every so-called god has different so-called powers.
I would say though, that the essentials for a god are immortality and magic. A mortal with magic powers would still not be a god. An immortal being, that couldn't do magic, would be fairly impressive, but that would soon fade.
So why do I argue that gods are possible? Well, we ourslves are part of the way there. We can now do incredible magic. ( as a species ).
We can fly to the moon, re-create the sun with an H bomb or fusion reactor, cure illnesses, transplant hearts etc.etc etc.
If I could go back in time ten thousand years, with a few carefully chosen accessories, I could easily pass as a god.
Here's my list.
1) AK47 and huge supply of bullets
2) Flame thrower and various lighters
3) Torch
4) Medical kit
5) Hang glider
You could make up your own list, but any combination of the above would virtually guarantee that the people you met would regard you as a god. The one thing that would let you down would be your mortality.
If you think of the size of the Universe, and the age of it, I would say that there MUST be aliens out there that would qualify as gods, if they arrived here.
How long will it be before medicine can make humans immortal? One thousand years? Ten thousand? That's nothing in terms of the universe.
There could be aliens out there with a FIVE-BILLION-YEAR start on us.
If that kind of alien arrived here, they would fully qualify as gods. Not the Christian one ( or three? ) that supposedly made the Universe, but probably way ahead of the greek or norse gods in what they could do.
I'm not speculating here, I really believe that such aliens MUST exist, given the age and size of the Universe, and the number of planets we are finding, and the vast quantities of organic molecules that are turning up in space and other worlds.
The only thing that is stopping them from saying hello is the vastness of the Universe, and the limiting speed of light.
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But these gods of yours are not at all theistic gods. There is nothing supernatural about them and in principle, humans could eventually become such gods as these. So, you can believe in these gods all day long and still be an atheist.
Over and above the laws of nature, or on to a more powerful understanding of them?mistermack wrote:That's a good point, but what is supernatural? As soon as it happens, it's natural.Feck wrote:I agree that given vast time and vast space there must be alien life (or was ,or will be ) but to assume that they are science and Tech based like us ???????
your thread title was deliberately misleading You meant to say that vastly superior Tech'ed aliens are perfectly possible ......a statement few would refute .
Gods by definition are supernatural .
I think I mean't supernatural when I said that they can do magic.
What's a god to one person wouldn't be to another.
Aliens could be super-anything that we call natural now.
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I think it's millions-to-one on that there are science and tech based aliens out there.mistermack wrote:Feck wrote:I agree that given vast time and vast space there must be alien life (or was ,or will be ) but to assume that they are science and Tech based like us ???????
Life on earth has had four billion years to develop.
There must be life out there that has had TEN BILLION years or more.
It's not going to be still at the bacteria stage.
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Sure is. You saidmistermack wrote:You need to read my post again. You haven't understood much of it.Gawdzilla wrote:Mistermack, you need to show that going back in time is possible. AND that your "gods" aren't just propped up by technology.
I'm not your teacher, so do it for yourself. It's perfectly clear.
and proceeded to claim that you could "pass as a god" with an AK47, which is not the same as saying "Sorry Atheists, But Gods Are Perfectly Possible!!".mistermack wrote:the essentials for a god are immortality and magic
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how not why not ? could have evolved, messed up the planet died out ,been killed off ...look at dinosaurs on the top of the pile for how long ? not really evolving huge brains and tech were they ? and reason why they would have ? or whales/dolphins large brains complex language NO tech ....mistermack wrote:I think it's millions-to-one on that there are science and tech based aliens out there.mistermack wrote:Feck wrote:I agree that given vast time and vast space there must be alien life (or was ,or will be ) but to assume that they are science and Tech based like us ???????
Life on earth has had four billion years to develop.
There must be life out there that has had TEN BILLION years or more.
It's not going to be still at the bacteria stage.
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And do you know that life suitable conditions have been found on any planets for ten billion years ?
Possible Yes .. no further info has come to light so





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Yes, that's right of course. I can and do believe that the ODDS make them a virtual certainty, but I still think of myself as an atheist.Robert_S wrote: But these gods of yours are not at all theistic gods. There is nothing supernatural about them and in principle, humans could eventually become such gods as these. So, you can believe in these gods all day long and still be an atheist.
Well, what if it turned out that the Christian god DID exist, and we learn't all about him or it, and how he operated. So we understood exactly the physics of how he did what he did.Robert_S wrote: Over and above the laws of nature, or on to a more powerful understanding of them?
Would he still be supernatural? He wouldn't have changed, just our knowledge of how it's done.
So in a way, a god is a god, if it's powers are beyond our knowledge.
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All what you say is true. But what you're ignoring is the numbers involved.Feck wrote: how not why not ? could have evolved, messed up the planet died out ,been killed off ...look at dinosaurs on the top of the pile for how long ? not really evolving huge brains and tech were they ? and reason why they would have ? or whales/dolphins large brains complex language NO tech ....
And do you know that life suitable conditions have been found on any planets for ten billion years ?
Possible Yes .. no further info has come to light so
If you take a tiny patch of sky, you are looking at millions of GALAXIES, each with BILLIONS of stars.
The numbers make it virtually impossible that advanced aliens don't exist.
And if they are immortal, they're not likely to die out.
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I don't think that's hard to follow. The word god means different things to different people. There isn't one perfect definition. I certainly don't claim to posess one.Seraph wrote:Sure is. You saidmistermack wrote:You need to read my post again. You haven't understood much of it.Gawdzilla wrote:Mistermack, you need to show that going back in time is possible. AND that your "gods" aren't just propped up by technology.
I'm not your teacher, so do it for yourself. It's perfectly clear.and proceeded to claim that you could "pass as a god" with an AK47, which is not the same as saying "Sorry Atheists, But Gods Are Perfectly Possible!!".mistermack wrote:the essentials for a god are immortality and magic
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It's a grey area. I said I could "pass" for one, meaning I WOULD be a god to the stone age men, but not to me, or my companions, if we went as a bunch.
As an atheist, I think gods are what you make them.
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