George Galloway

[Toontown]

Well, if that's the case, you could easily say that all the problems in Africa are the west's fault as well...slavery ring a bell? So why not fix that? Go spread democracy and freedom there.

Your suggestion is a non-sequitur, but since you brought it up, the U.S. does provide a great deal of aid to Africa.

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/sub-saharan_africa/

BTW, Bush's AIDS initiative caused a good deal of cognitive dissonance in Africa. The program is credited with saving the lives of 2 million Africans. Many Africans, steeped in anti-American propaganda, didn't quite know what to think of it.

Too bad all this fucked-up propaganda keeps jacking internatonal relations all up. Right, Sandinista?

[sandinista]

Well, if that's the case, you could easily say that all the problems in Africa are the west's fault as well...slavery ring a bell? So why not fix that? Go spread democracy and freedom there.

Your suggestion is a non-sequitur, but since you brought it up, the U.S. does provide a great deal of aid to Africa.

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/sub-saharan_africa/

BTW, Bush's AIDS initiative caused a good deal of cognitive dissonance in Africa. The program is credited with saving the lives of 2 million Africans. Many Africans, steeped in anti-American propaganda, didn't quite know what to think of it.

Too bad all this fucked-up propaganda keeps jacking internatonal relations all up. Right, Sandinista?

Not talking about "aid" Lets not even get into that. Why didn't they bring freedom and democracy to Africa like they did so successfully to Iraq? If the reason is because the US fucked it up first and are now the great fixers (I can't even believe I'm going along with this ) why Iraq, they fucked up Africa too...bring them freedom via bombers and military bases.

[Pensioner]

Why are there only two methods of getting rid of despots and dictators? Leave them to get on with there cruelty and brutality or invade. Why not support the poor people who fight back against having to live under the iron heel of dictators. WE never do that in the west as the arms industry make more profits from supplying weapons to the oppressor than the oppressed.

An insurgency against Saddam would have failed as completely as the insurgency againat the U.S. did - the difference being, Saddam would have launched bloody reprisals which would have killed millions more.

My question to you is, why were you opposed to everything about Saddam except his overthrow?

Incidentally, I would like to know why, in your previous voluminous Iranian-written litany, you failed to mention the thousands of artillery, tanks, and aircraft sold to Saddam by France and Russia.


If the West created Saddam, then it was the West's responsibility do do away with him, don't you think? What did France and Russia have to lose by lending a hand in the overthrow of Saddam?

Toontown “My question to you is, why were you opposed to everything about Saddam except his overthrow?”

My worst fears have come true as the Americans are imposing there type of democracy on the Iraqis, the corporations will get the oil and the Iraqis will get fuck all.

Did you read the Washington Post article?

[Toontown]

Well, if that's the case, you could easily say that all the problems in Africa are the west's fault as well...slavery ring a bell? So why not fix that? Go spread democracy and freedom there.

Your suggestion is a non-sequitur, but since you brought it up, the U.S. does provide a great deal of aid to Africa.

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/sub-saharan_africa/

BTW, Bush's AIDS initiative caused a good deal of cognitive dissonance in Africa. The program is credited with saving the lives of 2 million Africans. Many Africans, steeped in anti-American propaganda, didn't quite know what to think of it.

Too bad all this fucked-up propaganda keeps jacking internatonal relations all up. Right, Sandinista?

Not talking about "aid" Lets not even get into that. Why didn't they bring freedom and democracy to Africa like they did so successfully to Iraq? If the reason is because the US fucked it up first and are now the great fixers (I can't even believe I'm going along with this ) why Iraq, they fucked up Africa too...bring them freedom via bombers and military bases.

Oh, you don't even want to get into aid? Wonder why. Maybe because the long history of U.S. aid to Africa might mess up your little bogus attempt to frame the debate?

The U.S. fucked Africa up, did it? Thought you'd just slip that in there, did you?

Don't get desperate on me. You'll start reaching, and I'll lay your ass out.

[Eriku]

Well, if that's the case, you could easily say that all the problems in Africa are the west's fault as well...slavery ring a bell? So why not fix that? Go spread democracy and freedom there.

Your suggestion is a non-sequitur, but since you brought it up, the U.S. does provide a great deal of aid to Africa.

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/sub-saharan_africa/

BTW, Bush's AIDS initiative caused a good deal of cognitive dissonance in Africa. The program is credited with saving the lives of 2 million Africans. Many Africans, steeped in anti-American propaganda, didn't quite know what to think of it.

Too bad all this fucked-up propaganda keeps jacking internatonal relations all up. Right, Sandinista?

Not talking about "aid" Lets not even get into that. Why didn't they bring freedom and democracy to Africa like they did so successfully to Iraq? If the reason is because the US fucked it up first and are now the great fixers (I can't even believe I'm going along with this ) why Iraq, they fucked up Africa too...bring them freedom via bombers and military bases.

Oh, you don't even want to get into aid? Wonder why. Maybe because the long history of U.S. aid to Africa might mess up your little bogus attempt to frame the debate?

The U.S. fucked Africa up, did it? Thought you'd just slip that in there, did you?

Don't get desperate on me. You'll start reaching, and I'll lay your ass out.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/35/ ... assistance

[sandinista]

Well, if that's the case, you could easily say that all the problems in Africa are the west's fault as well...slavery ring a bell? So why not fix that? Go spread democracy and freedom there.

Your suggestion is a non-sequitur, but since you brought it up, the U.S. does provide a great deal of aid to Africa.

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/sub-saharan_africa/

BTW, Bush's AIDS initiative caused a good deal of cognitive dissonance in Africa. The program is credited with saving the lives of 2 million Africans. Many Africans, steeped in anti-American propaganda, didn't quite know what to think of it.

Too bad all this fucked-up propaganda keeps jacking internatonal relations all up. Right, Sandinista?

Not talking about "aid" Lets not even get into that. Why didn't they bring freedom and democracy to Africa like they did so successfully to Iraq? If the reason is because the US fucked it up first and are now the great fixers (I can't even believe I'm going along with this ) why Iraq, they fucked up Africa too...bring them freedom via bombers and military bases.

Oh, you don't even want to get into aid? Wonder why. Maybe because the long history of U.S. aid to Africa might mess up your little bogus attempt to frame the debate?

The U.S. fucked Africa up, did it? Thought you'd just slip that in there, did you?

Don't get desperate on me. You'll start reaching, and I'll lay your ass out.

You'll lay my ass out?? fuck, this is worse than rentboy! got you dreaming of my ass and some other bloke repeatedly trying to get a date with me.

[Toontown]

My worst fears have come true as the Americans are imposing there type of democracy on the Iraqis, the corporations will get the oil and the Iraqis will get fuck all.

Have they now. Your concern for the Iraqis' welfare is touching. Too bad your "worst fears" do not include the spectre of President Uday Hussein.

Instead, you worry your pretty little head about democracy and your bald assumption that "the corporations will get the oil and the Iraqis will get fuck all."

Whereas, under President Uday, the Iraqis would get fucked, all right. But at least the generous Uday would share the oil wealth with them. Er...wouldn't he? I'm sure he would, but please conjure up another bald assumption to reassure me. So I won't feel so stupid about accepting your spin.

Did you read the Washington Post article?

I got tired of waiting for it to load. What was it supposed to prove?

BTW, the number of U.S. troops will drop to 50,000 this month.

[Toontown]

You'll lay my ass out?? fuck, this is worse than rentboy! got you dreaming of my ass and some other bloke repeatedly trying to get a date with me.

You're no good for anything else, except non-sequiturs and false dichotomies. But then, you're no good for what you're suggesting here, either.

[sandinista]

You'll lay my ass out?? fuck, this is worse than rentboy! got you dreaming of my ass and some other bloke repeatedly trying to get a date with me.

You're no good for anything else, except non-sequiturs and false dichotomies. But then, you're no good for what you're suggesting here, either.

I suggested? I wasn't talking about your ass toony baby.

[Pensioner]

My worst fears have come true as the Americans are imposing there type of democracy on the Iraqis, the corporations will get the oil and the Iraqis will get fuck all.

Have they now. Your concern for the Iraqis' welfare is touching. Too bad your "worst fears" do not include the spectre of President Uday Hussein.

Instead, you worry your pretty little head about democracy and your bald assumption that "the corporations will get the oil and the Iraqis will get fuck all."

Whereas, under President Uday, the Iraqis would get fucked, all right. But at least the generous Uday would share the oil wealth with them. Er...wouldn't he? I'm sure he would, but please conjure up another bald assumption to reassure me. So I won't feel so stupid about accepting your spin.

Did you read the Washington Post article?

I got tired of waiting for it to load. What was it supposed to prove?

BTW, the number of U.S. troops will drop to 50,000 this month.

Fucking hell, "I got tired of waiting", thanks for that.

[sandinista]

With all the various pretexts for war ringing hollow, the Bushites resorted to the final indictment: Saddam was a dictator. The United States stood for democracy and human rights. It followed that US leaders were obliged to use force and violence to effect “regime change” in Iraq. Again, we might raise questions. There is no denying that Saddam is a dictator, but how did he and his crew ever come to power? Saddam’s conservative wing of the Ba’ath party was backed by the CIA. They were enlisted to destroy the Iraqi popular revolution and slaughter every democrat, left-progressive, and communist they could get hold of, which indeed they did, including the progressive wing of the Ba’ath party itself—another fact that US media have let slide down the memory hole. Saddam was Washington's poster boy until the end of the Cold War.

So why has George II, like his daddy, targeted Iraq? When individuals keep providing new and different explanations to justify a particular action, they most likely are lying. So with political leaders and policymakers. Having seen that the pretexts given by the White House to justify war are palpably false, some people conclude that the administration is befuddled or even “deranged.” But just because they are trying to mislead and confuse the public does not perforce mean they themselves are misled and confused. Rather it might be that they have reasons which they prefer not to see publicized and debated, for then it would become evident that US policies of the kind leveled against Iraq advance the interests of the rich and powerful at much cost to the American people and every other people on the face of the earth. Here I think are the real reasons for the US aggression against Iraq.

http://www.michaelparenti.org/IRAQGeorge2.htm

[Eriku]

I was on exchange in the US, at the tender age of 17, in 2002-03. I recall the news being all about Bin Laden and Afghanistan, until suddenly, out of the blue, Saddam was all of a sudden the big man that had to go down for what happened on 9-11.

Everybody swallowed that explanation straight away, and I felt stupid for not getting it, so I didn't say anything.

[Jay G]

I was on exchange in the US, at the tender age of 17, in 2002-03. I recall the news being all about Bin Laden and Afghanistan, until suddenly, out of the blue, Saddam was all of a sudden the big man that had to go down for what happened on 9-11.

Everybody swallowed that explanation straight away, and I felt stupid for not getting it, so I didn't say anything.

Obviously, being a foreigner from "the old Europe" you wouldn't get it. Our well-trained, finely tuned, American minds follow these leaps of logic with the greatest of ease.

[Eriku]

I was on exchange in the US, at the tender age of 17, in 2002-03. I recall the news being all about Bin Laden and Afghanistan, until suddenly, out of the blue, Saddam was all of a sudden the big man that had to go down for what happened on 9-11.

Everybody swallowed that explanation straight away, and I felt stupid for not getting it, so I didn't say anything.

Obviously, being a foreigner from "the old Europe" you wouldn't get it. Our well-trained, finely tuned, American minds follow these leaps of logic with the greatest of ease.

I'd've been burnt alive if I went there back then knowing what I know now... my being an admitted atheist was bad enough ;P

[Toontown]

Well, if that's the case, you could easily say that all the problems in Africa are the west's fault as well...slavery ring a bell? So why not fix that? Go spread democracy and freedom there.

Your suggestion is a non-sequitur, but since you brought it up, the U.S. does provide a great deal of aid to Africa.

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/sub-saharan_africa/

BTW, Bush's AIDS initiative caused a good deal of cognitive dissonance in Africa. The program is credited with saving the lives of 2 million Africans. Many Africans, steeped in anti-American propaganda, didn't quite know what to think of it.

Too bad all this fucked-up propaganda keeps jacking internatonal relations all up. Right, Sandinista?

Not talking about "aid" Lets not even get into that. Why didn't they bring freedom and democracy to Africa like they did so successfully to Iraq? If the reason is because the US fucked it up first and are now the great fixers (I can't even believe I'm going along with this ) why Iraq, they fucked up Africa too...bring them freedom via bombers and military bases.

Oh, you don't even want to get into aid? Wonder why. Maybe because the long history of U.S. aid to Africa might mess up your little bogus attempt to frame the debate?

The U.S. fucked Africa up, did it? Thought you'd just slip that in there, did you?

Don't get desperate on me. You'll start reaching, and I'll lay your ass out.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/35/ ... assistance

Well...I guess you had to say something, even if it was nothing.

So, are you trying to say that even though the U.S. gives more in dollar amounts than any other country, it isn't enough, plus there are all these other issues that sort of "X" it out of the world?

I think Manson said something like that once. But he carved an "X" in his forehead for emphasis.

Damn. You peoples' shit keeps getting weaker by the minute. Now I'm having to write your rebuttals for you.