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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by RuleBritannia » Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:51 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:The fascist Islamic regime of Iran for one.
Iran isn't fascist it's theocratic.
The Mad Hatter wrote:Secondly, they don't proliferate because the US is armed, they proliferate because people who want to be powerful will always want the things that go boom.
Exactly, people who want to be powerful will naturally want to be more powerful than those who are currenly the most powerful i.e. the United States.
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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by Trolldor » Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:55 pm

No, not "Exactly" at all. Whether the US has nuclear weapons or not bears no relation on seeing the value in having them.
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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by Ian » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:10 pm

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Ian wrote:I gotta agree with toontown here.

First, I can't imagine a modern scenario where the US would use a nuclear weapon without being attacked with one first. Where, exactly, would this happen?

Second, revisionist historians love to point to the US as being trigger-happy with nukes, when the only ones dropped 1) happened right after they were invented, and 2) likely saved untold millions more lives by making Operations Olympic and Coronet unnecessary.

Third, isn't there a statute of limitations on this sort of horseshit? My father wasn't even born yet when Hiroshima happened. I'm an American who wasn't born until 1973. I don't feel obligated to feel guilt over Hiroshima any more than I would personally take credit for helping my country land on the moon. One might as well shake a finger at all the savage Brits on this forum for their country's barbaric and shameful behavior during the Boer War. It does the same amount of good.
The OP was not meant to be America bashing, just nuke bashing.
I know. But some people just can't resist any chance for America bashing. I felt like giving them a response.

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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by RuleBritannia » Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:41 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:No, not "Exactly" at all. Whether the US has nuclear weapons or not bears no relation on seeing the value in having them.
And what is the value of having them?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:07 pm

RuleBritannia wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:No, not "Exactly" at all. Whether the US has nuclear weapons or not bears no relation on seeing the value in having them.
And what is the value of having them?
M.A.D. worked. Unless you can prove otherwise.
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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by RuleBritannia » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:12 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
RuleBritannia wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:No, not "Exactly" at all. Whether the US has nuclear weapons or not bears no relation on seeing the value in having them.
And what is the value of having them?
M.A.D. worked. Unless you can prove otherwise.
MAD only works if both sides have equal capability to destroy each other.
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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:15 pm

RuleBritannia wrote:
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The Mad Hatter wrote:No, not "Exactly" at all. Whether the US has nuclear weapons or not bears no relation on seeing the value in having them.
And what is the value of having them?
M.A.D. worked. Unless you can prove otherwise.
MAD only works if both sides have equal capability to destroy each other.
Oh, and we are the only ones with nukes?
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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by RuleBritannia » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:39 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
RuleBritannia wrote:
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RuleBritannia wrote:
The Mad Hatter wrote:No, not "Exactly" at all. Whether the US has nuclear weapons or not bears no relation on seeing the value in having them.
And what is the value of having them?
M.A.D. worked. Unless you can prove otherwise.
MAD only works if both sides have equal capability to destroy each other.
Oh, and we are the only ones with nukes?
I'm speaking from the perspective of those nations of "fascists and dictators". They have no nukes, the US does, this puts the ball in the American's proverbial court, unless they themselves proliferate.
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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:42 pm

RuleBritannia wrote:I'm speaking from the perspective of those nations of "fascists and dictators". They have no nukes, the US does, this puts the ball in the American's proverbial court, unless they themselves proliferate.
You're ignoring why we have those bombs in the first place, and the fact that we really can't count on the people who have them now staying friendly.

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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by Don't Panic » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:43 pm

The next non-test detonation of a nuclear bomb on Earth will likely be one of three things:
  • Middle East, Iran-Israel
  • Far East, North-South Korea
  • Western Europe/USA, Terrorist device.
No democratic nation state will ever authorise the first use of a nuclear weapon in an armed conflict again. They aren't meant to be used that way.
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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by devogue » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:49 pm

Still, you have to laugh.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:55 pm

devogue wrote:Still, you have to laugh.
Somebody's going to get a bang out of it.
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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by sandinista » Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:01 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:
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The Mad Hatter wrote:The US can't disarm, nukes put the world at a stand-still. A country without nukes, or without the support of another nation's unclear arsenal, is hostage to the world. The US will disarm when it's nukes are no longer necessary.

Secondly, the US has not been constantly at war since it was created.



Thirdly, mistermack, the Emperor was contemplating surrender but there was a 'mini revolution' to overrule him by some of the lead generals.

Finally, The US is no more likely to drop a nuke than marry Russia. Unlike Suddam, the US leadership has a self-preservation instinct and knows when to give up.
Yah, the US won't disarm, which, in turn, makes any US talk about other countries nukes moot. On you're second point, you are wrong, the US has been at war constantly since the end of ww2. Finally, regardless of any "opinions" the US is the only country to have ever used "the bomb" and they continue to use uranium-tipped shells.
I didn't know the US was created after World War II.
Who said the US was created after ww2? I said they have been at war since the end of ww2. :what:
but the US can't disarm while the fascists and dictators refuse to. Unlike it's Middle Eastern and European counterparts it has no real amibition for global domination by force of military.
:lol: there really are not enough :funny: or :hehe: to comment on that.
Finally, the US developed the first bomb, and deployed the first bomb against an actual target. Unlike other countries, however, they then didn't see the destructive capabilities and decide starting their own weapons program was a good idea because, hey, everybody needs one.
I don't even know what that means. The US never knew what a nuke would do to it's target? :dono:
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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by Trolldor » Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:09 pm

No. The Bomb had no precedent. They had charts and figures, but nobody had seen the destruction, the aftermath, the flattened landscapes, the hundreds of thousands of deaths all from a single, triggered weapon.

Secondly, I stated "The US has not been at war since it was created"
You said:
"On you're second point, you are wrong, the US has been at war constantly since the end of ww2."

So, your incompetence implied the US was created at the end of World War 2.

Finally, what possible evidence is there that the US seeks to control the world through military force?

And I mean evidence. Not your interpretation of events, not the slanderings of trailer park rednecks. I'm talking documentation.
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Re: Hiroshima - 65 years

Post by sandinista » Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:13 pm

holy fuck man...incompetence :fp: :pedant:
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