I wonder how many of these men were islamic

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[AnInconvenientScotsman]

You're connecting their religion to their crime, without any evidence to support such a connection.

WRONG

I was actually connecting their possible religion to the fact that people who follow a religion tend to think they have a moral high ground and that atheists have no morals.

Also how many times are we told Islam is a "religion of peace"..

Well say that then, instead of asking how many of them were Islamic then posting a link to an article about their crime. There were only two pieces of content in that post, a rape crime and Islam. How on Earth to you expect anyone to deduce criticism of Islamic claims on morality from that?

Perhaps you should go to another site as you seem to have missed the point that we're all atheists. I said "I wonder how many of them are islamic" not "look what islam causes"

It was completely unnecessary to invoke their religion in this, atheist forum or not. Even saying "look at the claims Islam makes about it being a peaceful religion, how hypocritical" implies that their actions were motivated by their religion.

[Trolldor]

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Oh no you fucking don't. Git in thar.

[Kristie]

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Oh no you fucking don't. Git in thar.

Ok, here we go:

[Trolldor]

How dare you pull that card!

[AnInconvenientScotsman]

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Oh no you fucking don't. Git in thar.

Ok, here we go:

Fuck, a picture of a baby. All arguments are now invalid, Normal wins

[Coito ergo sum]

I wonder why their religion is an issue. People of all religions can be monsters, these men were probably only brought together in a community due to their religion, it was (probably) not the motivation for raping the girl.

Oh for heaven's sake.. get a grip.. You understand the point I am making surely

You're connecting their religion to their crime, without any evidence to support such a connection. Yes, Islam is sexist and oppressive of women but that is circumstantial.

Sometimes circumstantial evidence is really good evidence.

If we are to connect their crime to their religion without specific evidence that there is a connection, we would have to assume that ALL Islamic men approve of rape due to their religion, which is a sweeping generalisation and clearly false.

No, you don't have to conclude "all" or nothing. Nobody is saying "all" Muslims share a penchant for rape. The post was merely, "I wonder how many of these men were Islamic."

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Here is the first picture I took of her (without gore and blood all over). She's resting in daddy's arms while mommy sadly had to go to get 3 litres of replacement blood. Strangely I didn't feel scared or alone, I just felt happy holding my baby

[Kristie]

Here is the first picture I took of her (without gore and blood all over). She's resting in daddy's arms while mommy sadly had to go to get 3 litres of replacement blood. Strangely I didn't feel scared or alone, I just felt happy holding my baby

Awwww.

[AnInconvenientScotsman]

I wonder why their religion is an issue. People of all religions can be monsters, these men were probably only brought together in a community due to their religion, it was (probably) not the motivation for raping the girl.

Oh for heaven's sake.. get a grip.. You understand the point I am making surely

You're connecting their religion to their crime, without any evidence to support such a connection. Yes, Islam is sexist and oppressive of women but that is circumstantial.

Sometimes circumstantial evidence is really good evidence.

If we are to connect their crime to their religion without specific evidence that there is a connection, we would have to assume that ALL Islamic men approve of rape due to their religion, which is a sweeping generalisation and clearly false.

No, you don't have to conclude "all" or nothing. Nobody is saying "all" Muslims share a penchant for rape. The post was merely, "I wonder how many of these men were Islamic."

If one were to assert that a man raped a woman because of his religion, without any specific evidence to believe so, then that line of argument must contain the hidden premise that all men of that religion are motivated by it to rape. As it is, that wasn't what Ele was saying so what I said isn't relevant to the thread.

[devogue]

Bet they're all fucking Hare Krishnas. You know what they're like.

[Coito ergo sum]

I still don't understand the relevance of their religion.

Since when must the mention of someone's religion have relevance?

This thread is becoming yet another prime example of the "White Knight" chivalrous rush to the defense of Islam that is so common these days. Oh, no! Someone mentioned the word Islam next to something bad! Let's rush in and caution everyone to be aware that "not all Muslims" are this way or that way, or think this way or think that way.

A similar "save the princess" mentality does not exist relative to Christianity, Mormonism, Judaism, chiropractic, homeopathy, democratic, republican, Torie or Liberal. Generalized musings about how racist Tea Partiers are, for example, are quite common, yet there is no rush to make it clear that "not all" are racist. We get Christians lambasted as bigoted and homophobic, but there is no rush to warn the world that "not all" Christians are that way.

But, we face from every angle, particularly on the major news channels, the constant reminder that we can't say this or that because "not all" Muslims are a certain way. Well, I think we're all smart enough to know that not "all" of anybody is anything. Oh, wait -- let me add a disclaimer - when I say we're all smart enough, I mean not really all. I can't make that generalization. Each person may or may not be smart enough....

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Oh, come on.. I mean seriously.. Come on..

[Trolldor]

I still don't understand the relevance of their religion.

Since when must the mention of someone's religion have relevance?

This thread is becoming yet another prime example of the "White Knight" chivalrous rush to the defense of Islam that is so common these days. Oh, no! Someone mentioned the word Islam next to something bad! Let's rush in and caution everyone to be aware that "not all Muslims" are this way or that way, or think this way or think that way.

A similar "save the princess" mentality does not exist relative to Christianity, Mormonism, Judaism, chiropractic, homeopathy, democratic, republican, Torie or Liberal. Generalized musings about how racist Tea Partiers are, for example, are quite common, yet there is no rush to make it clear that "not all" are racist. We get Christians lambasted as bigoted and homophobic, but there is no rush to warn the world that "not all" Christians are that way.

But, we face from every angle, particularly on the major news channels, the constant reminder that we can't say this or that because "not all" Muslims are a certain way. Well, I think we're all smart enough to know that not "all" of anybody is anything. Oh, wait -- let me add a disclaimer - when I say we're all smart enough, I mean not really all. I can't make that generalization. Each person may or may not be smart enough....

If I crack open your skull will I find an IOU?

It's incredibly important to know the difference between grounded criticism and nonsense slander.