Pro-Mexican Protesters Running on to Ball Fields...

[Coito ergo sum]

Men Run Onto Citi Field With Mexican Flags
Updated: Saturday, 31 Jul 2010, 5:42 PM EDT
Published : Saturday, 31 Jul 2010, 9:25 AM EDT

NEW YORK - Two men carrying Mexican flags in protest of Arizona's immigration law ran into the outfield during the seventh inning of the New York Mets' game against the Arizona Diamondbacks on Friday night at Citi Field.

The men were apprehended by security fairly quickly without much incident.

Prior to the game, about 40 people across the street from the ballpark chanted "Oppose racism!" and "Boycott Arizona!"

Others stationed closer to the subway exit handed out leaflets that requested Major League Baseball move next year's All-Star game out of Phoenix.

“It’s not going to distract me. I’m here to play baseball,” Diamondbacks interim manager Kirk Gibson said after his team’s 9-6 victory over the Mets. “You have an opinion, I have an opinion. They have the right to say what they want, but it’s no distraction.”

As the trespassers were taken from the field people in the stands started chanting "USA, USA."

I am generally pro-immigrant, provided the immigrant comes to a country lawfully. I am steamed at a protest such as this - men carrying Mexican flags protesting US law run onto a ball field. I don't get why the Mexican flag is relevant here.

Even if one is against the Arizona law, that has nothing at all to do with being pro-Estados Unidos de Mexico. Why run around with the Mexican flag? What is the message they seek to send? A pro-Mexico message? Do they want Mexicans to be able to move freely about Arizona? I thought that people who were against the Arizona law were against it because they were against what they feared would be discriminatory treatment, making lawful immigrants submit to status checks unfairly, just because they "looked Mexican."

What's the message we're supposed to be getting from the Mexican flags being used in this fashion?

[Trolldor]

It's no more absurd than the crowd chanting "USA" in response.

[FBM]

I'm all for immigration and improving the welfare of the poor, too, but where the hell do people get the idea that foreign citizens should have a right to a spot on US soil? Wtf?

[Trolldor]

The main reason for a State wanting to keep migrants and even refugees off their territory is because they will then be legally responsible for them.
So... they don't really have a right to be on US soil until they're already there, at which point they would be subject to US law and the extent of their 'right' would be determined by the surrounding circumstances.

In Australia, we've got people coming over on leaky, failing boats. Our government still tries to divert them to Christmas Island solely so they aren't subject to Australian law - all the protection and care they would be entitled to until they had been 'processed'.

[Toontown]

I'm all for immigration and improving the welfare of the poor, too, but where the hell do people get the idea that foreign citizens should have a right to a spot on US soil? Wtf?

Systematic ideological conditioning is what gives them the idea.

It is the initial rumblings of the approaching overpopulation-driven struggle between the first world and the second and third worlds, in which the latter will attempt to inundate the former by sheer numbers. The initial stages involve ideological conditioning and infiltration via illegal and legal immigration.

The field-streakers probably see themselves as part of a victorious Mexican army, set to infiltrate and take over the evil Gringo empire - hence the flags. Little do they know that, wherever they go, there they are. They bring with them the shortcomings that have made Mexico all but non-viable. Shortcomings such as a grossly misplaced nationalism. Not to mention an exceedingly strange kind of irrationality which urges them to run mindlessly, proudly waving the very flag they ran away from.

The only possible help for the world's poor is education and population control - to which they are unfortunately highly resistant. Simply overrunning and destroying the first world will only hasten their own demise.

[AnInconvenientScotsman]

I'm all for immigration and improving the welfare of the poor, too, but where the hell do people get the idea that foreign citizens should have a right to a spot on US soil? Wtf?

The field-streakers probably see themselves as part of a victorious Mexican army, set to infiltrate and take over the evil Gringo empire

Talk about sweeping statements...

They're reacting to the assertion (As they see it) that Hispanics shouldn't be allowed in the US. Admittedly they're going about it the wrong way.

[Coito ergo sum]

It's no more absurd than the crowd chanting "USA" in response.

I didn't say it was "absurd." I am curious what the message is meant to be. Are they championing the Estados Unidos de Mexico? What is the symbolism?

[Coito ergo sum]

I'm all for immigration and improving the welfare of the poor, too, but where the hell do people get the idea that foreign citizens should have a right to a spot on US soil? Wtf?

The field-streakers probably see themselves as part of a victorious Mexican army, set to infiltrate and take over the evil Gringo empire

Talk about sweeping statements...

They're reacting to the assertion (As they see it) that Hispanics shouldn't be allowed in the US. Admittedly they're going about it the wrong way.

They are also grossly mistaken, if that is their assertion. There is no assertion by the US or by Americans in general that "hispanics" shouldn't be allowed in the United States. One must be completely ignorant or wilfully blind in order to take that position.

I say that because more new US citizens, and more permanent residents, come from Mexico than any other country in the world. Hands down. By far. The US welcomes more Mexicans, far and away, than immigrants from any other country - and I'm talking about the legal ones. And, to expand that to "hispanics" in general, the US has an absolutely open door policy to Cubans. If a Cuban makes it to US soil, they will get a green card. There is no proof of anything required, except that a person is Cuban, and they are in.

The next largest groups are far behind Mexicans, but they are Indians and Phillipinos. So, there is nothing that pisses me off worse than to have some folks accusing the US of being racist, or of not wanting to let the "brown" people in. That's a dirty lie. The US welcomes more brown people than anyone else, and in greater numbers than any other country in the world - by far.

So, as an American, to have some guy running around making some display out of the Mexican flag - and typically waving the flag of another country implies that one supports that country, and opposes the country one is engaged in protesting - tells me that the guy thinks Mexico is grand, and is protesting the US. I think that's his "right," of course, and he can wave a Mexican flag all he wants. But, I also think he's a scumbag, and I would tell him that to his face, and I'd suggest he return to Mexico if that's the country he's fighting for.

[FBM]

I'm all for immigration and improving the welfare of the poor, too, but where the hell do people get the idea that foreign citizens should have a right to a spot on US soil? Wtf?

Systematic ideological conditioning is what gives them the idea.

It is the initial rumblings of the approaching overpopulation-driven struggle between the first world and the second and third worlds, in which the latter will attempt to inundate the former by sheer numbers. The initial stages involve ideological conditioning and infiltration via illegal and legal immigration.

The field-streakers probably see themselves as part of a victorious Mexican army, set to infiltrate and take over the evil Gringo empire - hence the flags. Little do they know that, wherever they go, there they are. They bring with them the shortcomings that have made Mexico all but non-viable. Shortcomings such as a grossly misplaced nationalism. Not to mention an exceedingly strange kind of irrationality which urges them to run mindlessly, proudly waving the very flag they ran away from.

The only possible help for the world's poor is education and population control - to which they are unfortunately highly resistant. Simply overrunning and destroying the first world will only hasten their own demise.

Holy fistfuck. We almost agree on something.

[devogue]

Who won the match?