George Carlin's Final Words To The World

[Feck]

Example...


According to this neoprogs are irritating and despicable Almost as despicable as Islamic radicals! For listening to Pink Floyd!

I dunno I mean how many times can you be forced to listen to Dark Side of the Moon ?

[Animavore]

Example...


According to this neoprogs are irritating and despicable Almost as despicable as Islamic radicals! For listening to Pink Floyd!

I dunno I mean how many times can you be forced to listen to Dark Side of the Moon ?

Well, I suppose this could be considered "irritating and despicable".



(Sounds like Beautiful by Christiana Aguilera at the start)

[Hermit]

how many times can you be forced to listen to Dark Side of the Moon ?

In my case the answer is: never. One can't be forced to do something one wants to do.

[Trolldor]

Consciously deciding that they like things a certain way isn't uneducated ignorance.

I can't see a consistency between saying "Consciously deciding that they like things a certain way isn't uneducated ignorance" and "They keep voting for them because don't want things to change, they're comfortable with how things are" on the one hand and "they aren't confined to ignorantly accepting it". If they were not confined to ignorantly accept it, what exactly stops them from such acceptance?

They vote conservative, knowing what it is, because they like it.
Nothing more.
They aren't forced in to it, they aren't uninformed. They just prefer it that way. They're the only ones to blame.

[Hermit]

Consciously deciding that they like things a certain way isn't uneducated ignorance.

I can't see a consistency between saying "Consciously deciding that they like things a certain way isn't uneducated ignorance" and "They keep voting for them because don't want things to change, they're comfortable with how things are" on the one hand and "they aren't confined to ignorantly accepting it". If they were not confined to ignorantly accept it, what exactly stops them from such acceptance?

They vote conservative, knowing what it is, because they like it.
Nothing more.
They aren't forced in to it, they aren't uninformed. They just prefer it that way. They're the only ones to blame.

Oh, ok. I think I can see where you're coming from now. Well, sort of anyway. What remains to be resolved is the use of the words 'blame' and 'fault' (or 'cause' for that matter, if you like).

[Coito ergo sum]

Carlin blames everyone but those who are at fault.

You are attempting to blame the victims. As Carlin says: The game is rigged. The victims are led to believe that they too can become rich and powerful one day, if only they work hard and work smart. It's a con trick they fall for, and that is why they embrace the system such as it is portrayed to them. They become the "aspirational classes", and get sucked in as such. They vote for the system that oppresses them because it has been drummed into them, basically since they went to kindergarten, that they too can finish up on top of the heap. What is shoved under the carpet, is that as long as there are some people who are obscenely rich and powerful, there must be masses who must by definition be not far removed from being barely able to subsist. As long as the rulers succeed pulling the wool over people's eyes with this three-card-trick, I won't be so quick in blaming the victim.

I could never figure out what system Carlin thought would not oppress the people as much as our current system does....certainly, no system on that the Left advocates allows for any more opportunity to become rich and powerful. And, the far left systems that we've seen in place in say, the Soviet Union and in China, were fraught with far greater populations "barely being able to subsist" than in our oppressive society. Look at the cultural revolution in China, where millions were killed and starved - and look at the starvation in communist Russia - and even when they weren't starving, those countries were fraught with shortages in consumer goods.

Carlin railed against our "system" but he thrived in it. He was a capitalist - he produced goods and sold them for a hefty profit, making millions for himself and his family. He didn't give his books, CD's and DVDs away for free or at cost. He sold them for a profit. He did not scale the price of tickets to his shows based on income or ability to pay. He sold them at a price that was the same for a millionaire as for an unemployed person.

I loved George Carlin's comedy, especially in the late 1960s, and throughout the 70s into the early 1980s....beginning in the early 80s, there was a real turn towards "crotchety old man" who peppered his comedy with a lot of bitching and moaning.

[Hermit]

I could never figure out what system Carlin thought would not oppress the people as much as our current system does...

Would you please be so kind as to point out where Carlin suggested that there exists a better system than a capitalist democracy? Failing that, would you please provide a reason why he ought not be allowed to make the comments about the selfsame system that he did voice?

no system on that the Left advocates allows for any more opportunity to become rich and powerful.

You say that as if lording it over the unwashed masses by means of being rich and powerful is a good thing. I expect you to make a remark about envy/jealousy of the havenots next.

[maiforpeace]

I love George Carlin, he was a very funny man.

Some more final words...his very last HBO special before he died he did funny stuff about death...

[Coito ergo sum]

I could never figure out what system Carlin thought would not oppress the people as much as our current system does...

Would you please be so kind as to point out where Carlin suggested that there exists a better system than a capitalist democracy?

He railed against it so much, towards the end of his life, it was implicit in his harangues. If someone is calling the present system oppressive and a farce, as he did, then one might reasonably ask what his alternative is. And if there is none better, then what the fuck is he on about?

Failing that, would you please provide a reason why he ought not be allowed to make the comments about the selfsame system that he did voice?

Allowed? He's allowed to say whatever he wants to say, as is everyone else.

no system on that the Left advocates allows for any more opportunity to become rich and powerful.

You say that as if lording it over the unwashed masses by means of being rich and powerful is a good thing. I expect you to make a remark about envy/jealousy of the havenots next.

No, I say it as a fact. The systems advocated by those on the Left allow, as I see it, for LESS social and economic mobility than the one Carlin criticizes. I'm not talking about lording anything over anybody.

[Coito ergo sum]

...duplicate

[Coito ergo sum]

I love George Carlin, he was a very funny man.

Some more final words...his very last HBO special before he died he did funny stuff about death...

I used to love his rants on the English language. Classic. The man knew his stuff.

How are you?

Fine.

Fine?!?!?!?

What the fuck is "fine??!?!?!?"

Nobody is "fine."

HAIR is fine.

Or - his bit about how what we say doesn't make sense....

Like - getting "on" a plane.

Do you wanna get on the plane?

Fuck no!

I'll get IN the plane - but, I'm not riding ON the plane.

LOL....classic.


And, then there was the one that landed him court - his dissertation on shit, piss, cunt, fuck, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits - and the addenda of fart, turd and twat.

[sandinista]

I could never figure out what system Carlin thought would not oppress the people as much as our current system does...

Would you please be so kind as to point out where Carlin suggested that there exists a better system than a capitalist democracy? Failing that, would you please provide a reason why he ought not be allowed to make the comments about the selfsame system that he did voice?

no system on that the Left advocates allows for any more opportunity to become rich and powerful.

You say that as if lording it over the unwashed masses by means of being rich and powerful is a good thing. I expect you to make a remark about envy/jealousy of the havenots next.

1. Because Coito thinks no one should criticize such a perfect Utopian system as neo liberalism, hurts his feeling.
2. Coita seems to believe, though I can't really tell, that exploitation, and vast income inequality IS a good thing. Which, to be fair, most people on the "good" side of the exploitation feel.

[sandinista]

...and again...you can keep repeating the same thing, doesn't make it true. You have used more labels than anyone else I've read lately on this board.

Stop behaving like a posterboy then.

[Coito ergo sum]

I could never figure out what system Carlin thought would not oppress the people as much as our current system does...

Would you please be so kind as to point out where Carlin suggested that there exists a better system than a capitalist democracy? Failing that, would you please provide a reason why he ought not be allowed to make the comments about the selfsame system that he did voice?

no system on that the Left advocates allows for any more opportunity to become rich and powerful.

You say that as if lording it over the unwashed masses by means of being rich and powerful is a good thing. I expect you to make a remark about envy/jealousy of the havenots next.

1. Because Coito thinks no one should criticize such a perfect Utopian system as neo liberalism, hurts his feeling.

Err...I stated exactly the opposite. As noted above, everyone is allowed to say anything they like, including but not limited to George Carlin.

2. Coita seems to believe, though I can't really tell, that exploitation, and vast income inequality IS a good thing. Which, to be fair, most people on the "good" side of the exploitation feel.

That depends, I'll say this again, on what you mean by "exploitation." If you mean, "exploit" as in "exploit resources," or "exploit an opportunity," then yeah, I think it's a great thing, since "exploit" means "to utilize, especially for a profit; to turn to practical account." Not sure what would be wrong with that....my daughter exploited some lemons, water and sugar, and turned a tidy profit on the sale of lemonade. I suppose you think that's horrible.

If you mean "exploit" in the sense of utilizing UNFAIRLY - like if someone exploits a shortage due to a hurricane to unfairly increase prices, then I do not think that is a bad thing.

I do think that that income inequality is, in many respects, a good thing. Certainly, a guy stocking shelves at a convenience store should not expect to earn the same money as a physician practicing medicine for 20 years. I would very much expect a "vast income inequality" there. Wouldn't you? I realize the guy lining up soup cans would love to make a couple hundred thousand dollars a year for doing so, but I guess some jobs pay more than others.

Was there something meaningful you had to say, or were you just out to personally attack me with snarky sarcasm?

[sandinista]

my daughter exploited some lemons, water and sugar, and turned a tidy profit on the sale of lemonade. I suppose you think that's horrible.

and who, again, is full of "snarky sarcasm"? Bunch of pots calling the kettles black up in this bitch.