92,000 classified military documents leaked

[Meekychuppet]

The secrecy with the military and CIA is not so much about "strategy or tactics" as it is about not letting the public become aware of the dirty tricks and immoral acts which are committed. For a starter, for anyone interested, I would recommend "Killing Hope" by William Blum, just to scratch the surface of the lies, deceit and dirty business of war and covert actions.

I understand that, but I doubt very much that the other side is playing fair either. Blowing yourself up among unsuspected bystanders or soldiers is hardly anything making sense.

So, now the US and Canaduh want to behave like the other side? It's a race to the bottom?

I'd like to live in a "war free" world just as much as anyone else, but I don't remember if that was EVER the case in human history.
Did you see the move "300"? They had an incredible strategy to fight their enemies. Strategy gets more sophisticated as years move on, so more sophisticated angles are required.

I'm pretty sure life in neutral Scandinavia is pretty good. Very atheistic too.

[kiki5711]

The secrecy with the military and CIA is not so much about "strategy or tactics" as it is about not letting the public become aware of the dirty tricks and immoral acts which are committed. For a starter, for anyone interested, I would recommend "Killing Hope" by William Blum, just to scratch the surface of the lies, deceit and dirty business of war and covert actions.

I understand that, but I doubt very much that the other side is playing fair either. Blowing yourself up among unsuspected bystanders or soldiers is hardly anything making sense.

So, now the US and Canaduh want to behave like the other side? It's a race to the bottom?

I'd like to live in a "war free" world just as much as anyone else, but I don't remember if that was EVER the case in human history.
Did you see the move "300"? They had an incredible strategy to fight their enemies. Strategy gets more sophisticated as years move on, so more sophisticated angles are required.

I'm pretty sure life in neutral Scandinavia is pretty good. Very atheistic too.

I said "war free world" not just one country.

[Meekychuppet]

I said "war free world" not just one country.

Doesn't matter. It can be accomplished.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

yah, when the "bad guys" come to town.

September 11, 2001. The bad guys came to town.

Fucking civilians.

If memory serves the heroes of 9/11 were firefighters. The job of the military was to prevent it. How'd that work out for you?

Fucking Chicken-Hawks.

You planning to export red herrings, meeky?

[sandinista]

yah, like the states were just innocent bystanders minding their own business when they were attacked. yourself. eh.

Me and you should meet.

so, what...not a threat? You want a date? Don't think you're my type. sorry. Just curious why you want to meet.

[kiki5711]

I said "war free world" not just one country.

Doesn't matter. It can be accomplished.

If it was possible it would have happened.
I'm a be-free life loving ex hippie, but even I'm not that naive.

[Meekychuppet]

I said "war free world" not just one country.

Doesn't matter. It can be accomplished.

If it was possible it would have happened.

It has happened in Scandinavia.

If you think that we can't have a world where there is peace then I feel so sad that your spirit has been broken to such an extent.

[RuleBritannia]

I said "war free world" not just one country.

Doesn't matter. It can be accomplished.

If it was possible it would have happened.
I'm a be-free life loving ex hippie, but even I'm not that naive.

100 years a peaceful Europe was a crazy fantasy.

[kiki5711]

I said "war free world" not just one country.

Doesn't matter. It can be accomplished.

If it was possible it would have happened.

It has happened in Scandinavia.

If you think that we can't have a world where there is peace then I feel so sad that your spirit has been broken to such an extent.

My spirit is not broken. It is for world peace that I joined a youth group associated with a church when I was young.
I had incredible experiences helping people and thought I was making the world a better place.
I also learned the church leaders were damn drug addicted croocks.

[Meekychuppet]

yah, when the "bad guys" come to town.

September 11, 2001. The bad guys came to town.

Fucking civilians.

If memory serves the heroes of 9/11 were firefighters. The job of the military was to prevent it. How'd that work out for you?

Fucking Chicken-Hawks.

You planning to export red herrings, meeky?

If you don't set 'em up I won't knock 'em down. You brought it up, now when you're shown wrong you cry red herring.

I realise that your whole military life you were told certain things about what you were doing but in reality you were like every other enrolled rating/officer/whatever. You were a hired gun. You weren't paid or permitted to think, and whilst the willingness to walk in to the line of fire is admirable, the subservience and conformity of the military is its strength AND weakness. Every single person I ever met from the military is just like you, utterly devoted and extraordinarily defensive of WHATEVER the military does, often threatening and intimidating those who disagree. You and Ian have performed entirely to type in here. It's disconcertingly similar to religious devotion.

I simply do not accept that the world has to run at gunpoint.

[Coito ergo sum]

How so?

Because your posts are such that it appears you think US is worse than totalitarian regimes.

What do you mean by "worse"?

Bad or ill in a greater or higher degree - more unfavorable or injurious. You know, worse.

[Robert_S]

I said "war free world" not just one country.

Doesn't matter. It can be accomplished.

If it was possible it would have happened.
I'm a be-free life loving ex hippie, but even I'm not that naive.

It's not possible in that it ain't gonna happen next week barring some asteroid collision. But it might be possible some time in the future.

sandinista:

I might have some real problems with US foreign policy and this thread is not where I'll discuss that. But those fuckers in Al Quaida and the Taliban are not my friends. While they might share some of my gripes, their solution both in terms of ends and means are worlds multiverses apart from mine, and I suspect yours as well.

What this comes to is that even though I list the US military intelligence among my potential adversaries, they happen to be engaged in a war against the forces of gratuitous ignorance and oppression in the name of tribalistic sexist religious nutjobbery on level that Fred Phelps would feel rather comfortable with. If some leaks lead the US population to take a more realistic approach to Afghanistan, then that's all fine with me, but if they end up helping the Taliban and other religious nutjobs, then leaking those documents was an act of supreme douchbaggery.

[sandinista]

yah, when the "bad guys" come to town.

September 11, 2001. The bad guys came to town.

Fucking civilians.

If memory serves the heroes of 9/11 were firefighters. The job of the military was to prevent it. How'd that work out for you?

Fucking Chicken-Hawks.

You planning to export red herrings, meeky?

If you don't set 'em up I won't knock 'em down. You brought it up, now when you're shown wrong you cry red herring.

I realise that your whole military life you were told certain things about what you were doing but in reality you were like every other enrolled rating/officer/whatever. You were a hired gun. You weren't paid or permitted to think, and whilst the willingness to walk in to the line of fire is admirable, the subservience and conformity of the military is its strength AND weakness. Every single person I ever met from the military is just like you, utterly devoted and extraordinarily defensive of WHATEVER the military does, often threatening and intimidating those who disagree. You and Ian have performed entirely to type in here. It's disconcertingly similar to religious devotion.

I simply do not accept that the world has to run at gunpoint.

[Coito ergo sum]

yah, when the "bad guys" come to town.

September 11, 2001. The bad guys came to town.

Fucking civilians.

If the true bad guys didn't instigate it, never would have happened. Know your enemy.

Blame Abel, not Caine, eh. Fuck off.

yah, like the states were just innocent bystanders minding their own business when they were attacked. yourself. eh.

What justification did AL QAETA have to attack the US?

[sandinista]

How so?

Because your posts are such that it appears you think US is worse than totalitarian regimes.

What do you mean by "worse"?

Bad or ill in a greater or higher degree - more unfavorable or injurious. You now, worse.

In what regard?