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Dear Atheist...

Post by Pappa » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:50 pm

Please deposit evidence for the non-existence of god here.

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Re: Dear Atheist...

Post by Animavore » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:53 pm

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Libertarianism: The belief that out of all the terrible things governments can do, helping people is the absolute worst.

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Post by Thinking Aloud » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:57 pm

Pappa wrote:Please deposit evidence for the non-existence of god here.

:tup:
Define/describe "god" in such a way as all theists and deists agree with your definition, and we'll get cracking on that.

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Post by Ayaan » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:57 pm

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Re: Dear Atheist...

Post by Pappa » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:58 pm

Thinking Aloud wrote:
Pappa wrote:Please deposit evidence for the non-existence of god here.

:tup:
Define/describe "god" in such a way as all theists and deists agree with your definition, and we'll get cracking on that.
We'll ignore the deists and use RD's definition of theism from TGD. :tea:
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Re: Dear Atheist...

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:00 pm

Pappa wrote:Please deposit evidence for the non-existence of god here.

:tup:
1. Gods have not been demonstrated to exist.

2. Nothing in the universe discovered so far requires any gods in order to function.

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Post by cowiz » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:01 pm

God told me he doesn't exist.
It's a piece of piss to be cowiz, but it's not cowiz to be a piece of piss. Or something like that.

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Re: Dear Atheist...

Post by Pappa » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:01 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Pappa wrote:Please deposit evidence for the non-existence of god here.

:tup:
1. Gods have not been demonstrated to exist.

2. Nothing in the universe discovered so far requires any gods in order to function.
I'm sorry, negative evidence is not allowed. :tea:
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Re: Dear Atheist...

Post by Animavore » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:02 pm

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How do you know there is not an evil or non-caring god?
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:12 pm

Pappa wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Pappa wrote:Please deposit evidence for the non-existence of god here.

:tup:
1. Gods have not been demonstrated to exist.

2. Nothing in the universe discovered so far requires any gods in order to function.
I'm sorry, negative evidence is not allowed. :tea:
Why not? Absence of evidence for the existence of something is generally a reason to refrain from concluding that something exists.

But, if it's positive evidence you seek, well, I google-Earthed Mt. Olympus and there were no gods there.

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Re: Dear Atheist...

Post by hiyymer » Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:35 am

Pappa wrote:Please deposit evidence for the non-existence of god here.

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God clearly exists in many people's experience, so I suppose you mean exist in the scientific sense. I guess you'd have to explain why god appears in our experience, if it does not in fact exist.

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Re: Dear Atheist...

Post by Hermit » Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:30 am

Proof for the non-existence of God is founded on pure logic. Douglas Adams illustrated it best.
  • Now it is such a bizarrely improbably coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful [the Babel fish] could have evolved by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
    The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
    "But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED"
    "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
I love the way this joke utilises the argument from fine tuning, which has traditionally been used as a "proof of god", as a of "disproof" god.
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Re: Dear Atheist...

Post by Pappa » Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:20 am

I'm feeling a real lack of proof in this thread. :ddpan:

Surely you can do better.
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Re: Dear Atheist...

Post by mistermack » Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:29 am

Pappa wrote:
Thinking Aloud wrote:
Pappa wrote:Please deposit evidence for the non-existence of god here.

:tup:
Define/describe "god" in such a way as all theists and deists agree with your definition, and we'll get cracking on that.
We'll ignore the deists and use RD's definition of theism from TGD. :tea:
Not fair. I haven't read it. You'll either have to lend me a copy, or give a summary.
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Re: Dear Atheist...

Post by Pappa » Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:48 am

mistermack wrote:
Pappa wrote:
Thinking Aloud wrote:
Pappa wrote:Please deposit evidence for the non-existence of god here.

:tup:
Define/describe "god" in such a way as all theists and deists agree with your definition, and we'll get cracking on that.
We'll ignore the deists and use RD's definition of theism from TGD. :tea:
Not fair. I haven't read it. You'll either have to lend me a copy, or give a summary.
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Basically....

Theism is defined as belief in a god like the god of Abrahamic religions. He is a god who actively brings the universe into being and is looking over it.

Deism covers the concept of god as a kind of force of nature. Completely non-personified.

Those who've read it... would that be a fair precis?
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