Even The Troops Are Waking Up

[sandinista]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-CpCUOygqU

Nothing mind blowing here, stating the obvious more or less, but thought I would share the link in case anyone is interested.

[Hermit]

Complete transcript of speech here. The Youtube clip itself is an excerpt.

My name is Mike Prysner. I joined the Army and went for basic training on my eighteenth birthday in June of 2001. I was assigned to the 10th Mountain Division and in March of 2003 I was attached to the 173rd Airborne Brigade deployed to norther Iraq.

So when I first joined the Army, we were told that racism no longer existed in the military. A legacy of inequality and discrimination was suddenly washed away by something called the ‘Equal Opportunity Program. We would sit through mandatory classes and every unit had this EO representative to ensure that no elements of racism could resurface. The Army seemed firmly dedicated to smashing any hint of racism. And then September 11th happened and I began to hear new words like ‘towel head’ and ‘camel jockey’ and the most disturbing: ‘sand nigger.’ And these words did not initially come from my fellow soldiers but from my superiors: my platoon sergeant, my company first sergeant, battalion commander. All the way up the chain of command these terms, these viciously racist terms were suddenly acceptable.

And I noticed that the most overt racism came from veterans of the first Gulf War. And those were the words they used when incinerating civilian convoys. Those were the words they used when this government delivered any target(ing) of civilian infrastructure; bombing water supplies knowing it would kill hundreds of thousands of children. Those are the words the American people used when they allowed this government to sanction Iraq. And this is something many people forget. And we can’t forget.

We’ve just learned that we’ve killed over a million Iraqis since the invasion. But we already killed a million Iraqis in the ’90s through sanctions and bombings prior to this invasion. But the number is truly much higher.

When I got to Iraq in 2003 I learned a new word and that word was “Hajji”. Hajji was the enemy. Hajji was every Iraqi. He was not a person, a father, a teacher, or a worker. And it’s important, we’ve heard this word a lot during Winter Soldier but it’s important to understand where this word came from and to Muslims the most important thing is to take a pilgrimage to Mecca. It’s the Haj. And taking this pilgrimage is the Hajji. And, it’s something in traditional Islam that is the highest calling in their religion. So we took the best thing from Muslim and made it into the worst thing.

But, history did not start with us and since the creation of this country, racism has been used to justify expansion and oppression. The Native Americans were called savages. The Africans were called all sorts of things to excuse slavery. And Vietnam veterans know of the multitude of words used to justify that imperialist war. So, Hajji was the word we used…it was the word we used on this particular mission I’m going to talk about and we’ve heard a lot about different raids and kicking down doors of people’s houses and ransacking their houses. But this mission was a different kind of raid. I never got any explanation for these orders. We were only told that this group of houses, of five or six houses, were now property of the U.S. military and we had to go in and make those families leave those houses.

So, we went to these houses and informed the families that those homes were no longer their homes. We provided them no alternative, nowhere to go, no compensation. And they were very confused and very scared and did not know what to do, would not leave, so we had to remove them from those houses. One family in particular, a woman with two small girls, very elderly man and two middle-aged men, we dragged them out of their houses and threw them onto the street and arrested the men because they refused to leave. Uh, arrested the old man and sent them off to prison. And, at that time I didn’t know what happened to people when we tied their hands behind their back and put a sandbag over their head.

Unfortunately, a few months later, I had to find out. We were short interrogators so I was assigned to work as an interrogator. I oversaw and participated in hundreds of interrogations, one in particular I’m going to share with was a moment for me that really showed me the nature of this occupation. This particular detainee…when I was sent to interrogate him he was stripped down to his underwear, hands behind his back, and sandbag on his head. I never actually saw this man’s face. My job was to take this metal folding chair and just smash it against the wall next to his head, he was faced against the wall with his nose touching the wall while a fellow soldier asked the same questions over and over again, no matter what his answer, my job was to slam this chair against the wall.

We did this until, basically, we got tired. And, I was told to make sure he stood against the wall for however long and I was guarding this prisoner and my job was to make sure he kept standing up. But I noticed that there was something wrong with his leg and he was injured and he kept, like, falling to the ground. And the sergeant in charge would come and tell me to get him up on his feet so I’d have to pick him up and put him against the wall and he kept going down and I’d have to keep pulling him up and putting him against the wall. And my sergeant came around and he was upset with me for not, you know, continue making him to stand. He picked him up and slammed him against the wall several times and then he left and when the man went down on the ground again I notice blood pouring down from under the sandbag. And so I let him sit and I noticed my sergeant coming again and I would tell him quickly to stand up and I realized that I was supposed to be guarding my unit from this detainee and I realized at that moment that I was guarding the detainee from my unit.

And I tried hard to be proud of my service but all I could feel was shame and racism could no longer mask the occupation. These were people. There were human beings. I’ve since been plagued by guilt anytime I see an elderly man, like the one who couldn’t walk and we rolled onto a stretcher, told the Iraqi police to take him away. I feel guilt anytime I see a mother with her children like the one who cried hysterically and screamed that we were worse than Saddam as we forced her from her home. I feel guilt anytime I see a young girl like the one I grabbed by the arm and dragged into the street.

We were told we were fighting terrorists, but the real terrorist was me and the real terrorism is this occupation. Racism within the military has long been an important tool to justify the destruction and occupation of another country. It has long been used to justify the killing, subjugation, and torture of another people. Racism is a vital weapon deployed by this government. It is a more important weapon than a rifle, a tank, a bomber or a battleship. It is more destructive than an artillery shell, or a bunker buster, or a tomahawk missile. While all of those weapons are created and owned by this government, they are harmless without people willing to use them.

Those who send us to war do not have to pull a trigger or lob a mortar round. They do not have to fight the war. They merely have to sell the war. They need a public who is willing to send their soldiers into harm’s way and they need soldiers who are willing to kill or be killed without question. They can spend millions on a single bomb, but that bomb only becomes a weapon when the ranks in the military are willing to follow orders to use it. They can send every last soldier anywhere on earth, but there will only be a war if soldiers are willing to fight, and the ruling class: the billionaires who profit from human suffering care only about expanding their wealth, controlling the world economy, understand that their power lies only in their ability to convince us that war, oppression, and exploitation is in our interests. They understand that their wealth is dependent on their ability to convince the working class to die to control the market of another country. And convincing us to kill and die is based on their ability to make us think that we are somehow superior. Soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen, have nothing to gain from this occupation.

The vast majority of people living in the US have nothing to gain from this occupation. In fact, not only do we have nothing to gain, but we suffer more because of it. We lose limbs, endure trauma, and give our lives. Our families have to watch flag draped coffins lowered into the earth. Millions in this country without healthcare, jobs, or access to education must watch this government squander over $450 million a day on this occupation. Poor and working people in this country are sent to kill poor and working people in another country to make the rich richer, and without racism soldiers would realize that they have more in common with the Iraqi people than they do with the billionaires who send us to war

I threw families onto the street in Iraq only to come home and find families thrown onto the street in this country in this tragic, tragic and unnecessary foreclosure crisis; only to wake up and realize that our real enemies are not in some distant land. But not people whose names we don’t know, and cultures we don’t understand. The enemy is people we know very well and people we can identify. The enemy is a system that wages war when it’s profitable. The enemy is the CEOs who lay us off our jobs when it’s profitable; it’s the insurance companies who deny us health care when it’s profitable; it’s the banks who take away our homes when it’s profitable. Our enemies are not 5000 miles away, they are right here at home. If we organize and fight with our sisters and brothers, we can stop this war, we can stop this government, and we can create a better world.

And yes, parts of it are pertinent to the discussion on patriotism. Thanks for the link, Sandinista.

[Rum]

If you sign up as a soldier you don't get to choose which fights your country gets you into in my book. Basically you sell your trigger finger to the military..and your country. Better not to sign up in the first place!

[Robert_S]

If you sign up as a soldier you don't get to choose which fights your country gets you into in my book. Basically you sell your trigger finger to the military..and your country. Better not to sign up in the first place!

IMHO, the contract does not carry more moral/ethical obligations than the implicit promise that US soldiers have signed on to defend the constitution and only engage in righteous fights. If some kid joins up thinking that the government will only make him kill for a good cause and he comes to the conclusion that it ain't the case, then he has been cheated, just as the military is cheated when soldiers desert out of mere cowardice.

[Rum]

If you sign up as a soldier you don't get to choose which fights your country gets you into in my book. Basically you sell your trigger finger to the military..and your country. Better not to sign up in the first place!

IMHO, the contract does not carry more moral/ethical obligations than the implicit promise that US soldiers have signed on to defend the constitution and only engage in righteous fights. If some kid joins up thinking that the government will only make him kill for a good cause and he comes to the conclusion that it ain't the case, then he has been cheated, just as the military is cheated when soldiers desert out of mere cowardice.

By this measure every war/battle/fight would be only be engaged in by soldiers who thought they were involved in 'righteous' combat. Personally I don't think any are as it happens, though I am not quite a pacifist..more a pragmatic pacifist if there is such a thing...

..that aside, the army depends on more or less blind discipline and obedience. Armies in classical warfare at any rate - urban warfare and counter insurgency may be a little different, require them to obey immediately and without making moral distinctions and judgements.

Having said all that I am glad soldiers are doubting the actions of their government as per this example. The sooner it is over the better. My point is one of principle. If you sign up to be a whore you don't get too much choice about who gets to fuck you.

[sandinista]

If you sign up as a soldier you don't get to choose which fights your country gets you into in my book. Basically you sell your trigger finger to the military..and your country. Better not to sign up in the first place!

I would have to agree with you. If you are dumb enough to join the US military thinking you won't be part of an imperialist, war mongering military institution you kind of get what you deserve. It's not like anyone was drafted, these guys (same as the "soldiers" who are trying to hide out in canaduh for supposedly moral reasons) should have read a book on US history at the very least before joining the army. What did they think they were joining? The US has been invading countries for decades without a break.

If you sign up to be a whore you don't get too much choose about who gets to fuck you.

haha even with the funny grammar!

[Trolldor]

The military is a foreign culture.

[charlou]

I've split the derail to a new thread and moving to "no it isn't" "yes it is" subforum. http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14925

[kiki5711]

I agree. The wars of today have not as much to do with freedom as much as they have to do with economy. If the US was really interested in helping others for PEACE and PROSPERITY, they would focus on many other countries that also need help and not just the ones they can benefit from.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I agree. The wars of today have not as much to do with freedom as much as they have to do with economy. If the US was really interested in helping others for PEACE and PROSPERITY, they would focus on many other countries that also need help and not just the ones they can benefit from.

Wars have rarely been started for "freedom". They've frequently been fought for freedom, but that's most often the party that was attacked.

[natselrox]

He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
Albert Einstein

[PsychoSerenity]

It's nice to see soldiers speaking out against war rather than joining in the glorification of it. I just hope enough people listen.

I do feels sorry for the troops that get dragged into it. Most of them are just as much victims as anyone else. They may not be conscripted, but I know so many leave school after years of being made to feel like a failure, and are then told that the army can offer them honour, respect, opportunities, and a future that they can't get anywhere else.

It make me sick every time I see the military advertising on the TV. Be the Best?

http://www.armyjobs.mod.uk/Pages/HomePage.aspx

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's nice to see soldiers speaking out against war rather than joining in the glorification of it. I just hope enough people listen.

I do feels sorry for the troops that get dragged into it. Most of them are just as much victims as anyone else. They may not be conscripted, but I know so many leave school after years of being made to feel like a failure, and are then told that the army can offer them honour, respect, opportunities, and a future that they can't get anywhere else.

It make me sick every time I see the military advertising on the TV. Be the Best?

http://www.armyjobs.mod.uk/Pages/HomePage.aspx

[owtth]

There should be some regulation of recruitment tactics and the glamourisation and dishonest promises made, but at the same time if you are joining the military you agree to fight wars without having a say in who you are fighting. Bitching after the fact saying 'you didn't sign up for this' just displays a lack of forethought. Imagine the situation if most places still had the draft.