NHS 'to undergo radical overhaul'

[Clinton Huxley]

I'm angry at all the twats who voted Tory! I mean FFS! What does it take to learn?

Oh, I'd say about 4 years and 10 months* of disruption and much worse besides.

*Aren't fixed-term parliaments wonderful?

You'd think - how long were they in last time? 79 - 97? Well I guess some of the national amnesia is about to get poked with a few blasts from the past! I mean - who the fuck actually thought Tories would protect the NHS?

Let's not absolve Lib-Dem voters of blame - without the support of Clegg's Quislings, this programme of NHS "reform" would have been a non-starter.....

[floppit]

I'm angry at all the twats who voted Tory! I mean FFS! What does it take to learn?

Oh, I'd say about 4 years and 10 months* of disruption and much worse besides.

*Aren't fixed-term parliaments wonderful?

You'd think - how long were they in last time? 79 - 97? Well I guess some of the national amnesia is about to get poked with a few blasts from the past! I mean - who the fuck actually thought Tories would protect the NHS?

Let's not absolve Lib-Dem voters of blame - without the support of Clegg's Quislings, this programme of NHS "reform" would have been a non-starter.....

Meh - at least the lib dem voters can claim it was an accident! Second time around we lynch 'em but I figure there wasn't a great deal of history there this time.

[Feck]

I voted liberal ..I thought they were at least trying to make some sense but if I thought they would turn into Torries I wouldn't have .
Still my vote only makes a difference as to whether we get an SNP or Lab MP and I cannot in all conscience vote for either of them

[The Dawktor]

Reading between the lines.....they are putting The Dawktor in charge of the NHS

this idea has some merit methinks
In that case the NHS would run along these lines:


In 1992- when I stopped working in a NHS Hospital- a pivotal moment occured:-
that was the year that for the 1st time- there were more managers than consultants- which is unlikely to be good for patient care IMHO.


On the subject of Drs as Managers- in my experience Drs are relatively bright and are very used to multi-tasking BUT in general they fall into 2 camps - the sheep who are very willing to be led by anyone willing to take the reins and the megalomiac twats who think they know better but are shit man-managers and they fuck off the sheep on their 1st day and then the sheep just put their heads down and ignore all commands and mutter about patient care all the time.

This guy being in charge won't work!




What could possibly go wrong?

[Lozzer]

It's just been disclosed that the health secretary responcible for the proposed overhaul is on the bankroll of this country's great private health care provider/insurer.

[Lozzer]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... vider.html

epic

[floppit]

“John Nash and his wife have a wide range of interests, of which CARE UK is just one. This donation to support Mr Lansley’s office was made through CCHQ. Mr Lansley did not solicit this donation. Donations from private individuals in no way influence policy making decisions.”

What the fuck have we done? Right now I'd have Gordon back like a shot and I don't give a rat's bahooey if I'm alone in that!

[Horwood Beer-Master]

“John Nash and his wife have a wide range of interests, of which CARE UK is just one. This donation to support Mr Lansley’s office was made through CCHQ. Mr Lansley did not solicit this donation. Donations from private individuals in no way influence policy making decisions.”

What the fuck have we done? Right now I'd have Gordon back like a shot and I don't give a rat's bahooey if I'm alone in that!

We?

Some of us voted Labour.

[floppit]

“John Nash and his wife have a wide range of interests, of which CARE UK is just one. This donation to support Mr Lansley’s office was made through CCHQ. Mr Lansley did not solicit this donation. Donations from private individuals in no way influence policy making decisions.”

What the fuck have we done? Right now I'd have Gordon back like a shot and I don't give a rat's bahooey if I'm alone in that!

We?

Some of us voted Labour.

I voted labour - I just hoped Gordon would leave at the time! I meant 'we' as a country, I guess I never feel entirely let off the hook, maybe I would if I was out persuading folk. Anyway - I am partly responsible because hubby and I couldn't decide between Labour and Lib Dem , so we voted one each, more luck than judgement I got Labour, although I was pleased I did.

[Posse Comitatus]

I'm not automatically anti calls to reform because the NHS has become a massive funding black hole (though whether this is a step in the right direction remains unshown, because as much as I love anything remotely capitalist PFIs have hardly been a resounding success) but what I am somewhat miffed about is how this is clearly something that's been planned for a long time but was never even hinted at during the campaign- there's been no debate on this and the public were never asked- they've got an incredibly dubious mandate for this.

[Horwood Beer-Master]

By the way, what is all this bollocks about offering 'choice' regarding schools, hospitals and the like?

The people have loudly spoken on this issue - we don't want to be able to choose which hospital to go to, we want to know that whichever happens to be our nearest hospital will offer the same standard of care as any other.

The tories can ram their stupid market dogma up their arse, then join the NHS waiting list like everybody else to get it extracted again.








Then they can shove it up their arse a second time.

[Pensioner]

By the way, what is all this bollocks about offering 'choice' regarding schools, hospitals and the like?

The people have loudly spoken on this issue - we don't want to be able to choose which hospital to go to, we want to know that whichever happens to be our nearest hospital will offer the same standard of care as any other.

The tories can ram their stupid market dogma up their arse, then join the NHS waiting list like everybody else to get it extracted again.












Then they can shove it up their arse a second time.

Well said I hope the Unions grew some balls and fight the cunts, we have got to defend the NHS and the rest of our public services.

[devogue]

By the way, what is all this bollocks about offering 'choice' regarding schools, hospitals and the like?

The people have loudly spoken on this issue - we don't want to be able to choose which hospital to go to, we want to know that whichever happens to be our nearest hospital will offer the same standard of care as any other.

The tories can ram their stupid market dogma up their arse, then join the NHS waiting list like everybody else to get it extracted again.








Then they can shove it up their arse a second time.

Totally agree with this. I'm very pro-markets but certain things like the NHS and Education should be absolutely sacrosanct and protected from market forces - however, they should employ more managers with private sector experience so they can haggle the bit out with outside agencies and not get ripped off when purchasing.

[JimC]

By the way, what is all this bollocks about offering 'choice' regarding schools, hospitals and the like?

The people have loudly spoken on this issue - we don't want to be able to choose which hospital to go to, we want to know that whichever happens to be our nearest hospital will offer the same standard of care as any other.

The tories can ram their stupid market dogma up their arse, then join the NHS waiting list like everybody else to get it extracted again.








Then they can shove it up their arse a second time.

Totally agree with this. I'm very pro-markets but certain things like the NHS and Education should be absolutely sacrosanct and protected from market forces - however, they should employ more managers with private sector experience so they can haggle the bit out with outside agencies and not get ripped off when purchasing.

Very good point, Dev. One of the most reasonable arguments in the past (at least in Oz) for the privatisation of certain government services has been the evident timidity, incompetence and lack of energy in civil servant management of government agencies. True market believers would argue that this is inevitable, and incapable of fixing. However, with enough political will and ideas like yours, it should be possible to have the best of both worlds.

[Pensioner]

The sharks can smell blood and Cons have not changed as they have always hated the public sector.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 ... alth-firms

“The US private health giant Humana is ready to cash in on government plans to open up the NHS to more private sector involvement.

The centrepiece of health secretary Andrew Lansley's plan to reform the NHS is to transfer power to GP-led consortiums that will commission hospital and community care. GPs will manage the £70bn budget overseen by the soon-to-be abolished primary care trusts (PCTs) and will supposedly make choices on where money goes.

"We have huge resources that can be put at the disposal of GPs who will have a much bigger say on where to refer patients," Humana spokesman Lee Philips said. "Humana is already a commissioning support company that offers primary care trusts a complete end-to-end service. Are we optimistic? You bet we are."

Same for Education.
Private companies are looking to carve up school services as councils pull out.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/201 ... r-councils

“Firms that specialise in outsourcing education hope to profit from the Tory schools revolution by providing more frontline services, such as shaping curriculums and helping teachers prepare lessons.

Companies expect local authorities to pull out of services they have traditionally provided, clearing the way for the private sector to expand into activities from fixing leaky boilers to running payrolls.

The expansion is driven partly by spending cuts and partly by the education secretary Michael Gove's ambition to release more schools from local authority control.

Marcus Fagent, education sector leader for Mouchel, which is involved in consultancy, capital projects and support services for schools, said: "I think we're seeing things moving very quickly.

"What we're hearing is local authorities writing to their schools saying we're not going to be able to provide these sorts of services in future, what we're going to do is withdraw from these areas of services."