Time Explained

[ChildInAZoo]

I'm taking it seriously, I'm addressing it, I'm giving predictions and observations and references and experimental. You're just carping and trying to stop me.

Look, even you can see that this is simply not true. When you made predictions about how gravity worked, you refused to provide a single observation to back up your claims about dark matter. Your continued insistence about providing observations makes you look like a liar or a fool. Forget references to papers you take words from, let's see an actual experiment with actual measurements and actual predictions from your theory. So far you have a big fat zero on this score. If you disagree, show us where you made a prediction and the observation that matches it.

[colubridae]

That's not an answer. If you are correct demonstrate with your maths. And I've told you before you cannot see space. there are no 'lumps' that you can count between your hands. All you can see is the far side of the room. All you've done is repeat non-sense and avoid the question.

LOL! You can't demonstrate space with maths. But you know your hands aren't together. You can see this, you can feel it. So what's between your hands? Space. And no, there are no lumps in it. If there were, we'd call it matter. Sheesh, you still don't quite get this maths can't tell you what time is thing, do you? Groan. You know what kid, you remind me of somebody:

I repeat answer the question with maths…
If you can’t then your ‘theory’ becomes drivel.

That’s not my rules, that’s the way it is.

Despite your uncalled for rudeness…
And inability to answer the question…

Against my strongest intuition…

Against common sense I have ordered your cockamammy ‘book’ from amazon

[colubridae]

I lied. I wasn't stupid enough to buy your drivel..

I bought Sainsburys bog roll. Better value than your book, more absorbent and softer on the rectum. You should try it for your assertions.

Pip pip.

[Farsight]

You do the same with this forum.

[colubridae]

You do the same with this forum.

Is that a shitty riposte?

[colubridae]

On a serious note.
I come here for the humour.

The best three easily are you, mandelson and lamont. you are all preaching your own religion. It's all worthless, but for the humour. :sorry:

Mine religion is humour... Yeh I know witty riposte about 'not being funny' etc...

[mistermack]

As my dear departed mother used to say :
Colubridae, you should be with all the funny people.
.

[lpetrich]

If the new idea is supported by scientific evidence and the old one isn't, then the old idea is just a faith. I can show you space and motion with my hands. But you can't show me time flowing. And you can't show me any motion through time. It's that simple.

We have a built-in sense of time, and we have memory, which is time-related.

Also, seeing separation is not seeing space. Farsight, your argument seem to be that if we don't see something, then it doesn't exist. Have you ever seen

• Space
• Inertia
• Pressure
• Temperature
• Gravitational fields
• Electric fields
• Magnetic fields
• Light passing by

?

I'm a drummer. I use metronomes for "perfect time". Time is essential to my craft. Perhaps it is just an illusion of our perceptions. But a damned important one. Think I'm kidding? Show up late at work tomorrow then try to use this Einstein shit as the excuse for your boss.

Your metronome moves, your arms move, your drumsticks move, the drumskins move, the air moves. If you're late for work, it's because you didn't move it and you stayed in bed, or because you didn't move fast enough. It all comes down to motion, and the motion is through space. We measure the thing we call time with clocks, but open up a clock and what do you see? Time flowing? No, just cogs and stuff, moving.

All changes over time.

(thought experiment: stopping all motion in the Universe)

All that happens is freezing the Universe for that amount of time.

[colubridae]

What part of maths can't tell you what time is didn't you get? It can't tell you what space either

Don't be rude... or

And don't say you can't use maths to describe time, after you used it to describe time in your OP twaddle.

and then have the barefaced cheek to tell others to read your OP.

The nerve.

Anyone would think you are trying to sell books about 'o' level crop circles.

[Brain Man]

If the new idea is supported by scientific evidence and the old one isn't, then the old idea is just a faith. I can show you space and motion with my hands. But you can't show me time flowing. And you can't show me any motion through time. It's that simple.

We have a built-in sense of time, and we have memory, which is time-related.

Memory is a product of motion coming through the senses that is consolidated when you are at rest. Your hippocampus which orders events into a linear narrative that is your experience of life over time, does so when you shut down or sleep. You dont even need the products of motion to be brain busting. Just pottering around, watching tv all day still puts in so much moving sensory information you have to sleep on it.

Even the moment to moment clocks such as the Suprachiasmatic nuclei or the regular low frequency brain waves are part of hippocampal functioning.

Interestingly all of the parts of the brain involved in sense of time are larger or more active in females, who tend to be in motion and action less than men, both mentally and physically. i.e. Female brains process less sensory information as males. Women are known to be more time sensitive. So time and the synchronization required to agree on it maybe a construct of femininity itself.

[colubridae]

If the new idea is supported by scientific evidence and the old one isn't, then the old idea is just a faith. I can show you space and motion with my hands. But you can't show me time flowing. And you can't show me any motion through time. It's that simple.

We have a built-in sense of time, and we have memory, which is time-related.

Memory is a product of motion coming through the senses that is consolidated when you are at rest. Your hippocampus which orders events into a linear narrative that is your experience of life over time, does so when you shut down or sleep. You dont even need the products of motion to be brain busting. Just pottering around, watching tv all day still puts in so much moving sensory information you have to sleep on it.

Even the moment to moment clocks such as the Suprachiasmatic nuclei or the regular low frequency brain waves are part of hippocampal functioning.

Interestingly all of the parts of the brain involved in sense of time are larger or more active in females, who tend to be in motion and action less than men, both mentally and physically. i.e. Female brains process less sensory information as males. Women are known to be more time sensitive. So time and the synchronization required to agree on it maybe a construct of femininity itself.

Nice wiki condensate...
So much easier than doing real science.


Oops more ellipsis.

[lpetrich]

We have a built-in sense of time, and we have memory, which is time-related.

Memory is a product of motion coming through the senses that is consolidated when you are at rest. ...

Seeing motion in everything. Defining every change as a function of time as "motion" won't prove that time does not exist.

One could equally well claim that position gradients "prove" that space does not exist, because all one sees is gradients and not space itself.

Interestingly all of the parts of the brain involved in sense of time are larger or more active in females, who tend to be in motion and action less than men, both mentally and physically. i.e. Female brains process less sensory information as males. Women are known to be more time sensitive. So time and the synchronization required to agree on it maybe a construct of femininity itself.

Where is your evidence? How *much* difference is there? I'm annoyed at seeing small differences hyped to make it look like the two sexes are two very different species. I'm not saying that the two sexes are exactly alike, but that they are more alike than one might expect from our widespread tendency to treat them as two separate social castes, or even as two separate species.

Consider the massive study described in [citation needed]» Blog Archive » fMRI becomes big, big science

in the right panels, you can see that the differences between men and women are only a fraction of a standard deviation in size, despite the fact that these regions are probably selected because they show some of the “strongest” effects)

Carol Tavris made much the same point in her book The Mismeasure of Woman, which came out in 1992.

[Brain Man]

One could equally well claim that position gradients "prove" that space does not exist, because all one sees is gradients and not space itself.

the gradients are put into space though. Can you do the reverse ?

Interestingly all of the parts of the brain involved in sense of time are larger or more active in females, who tend to be in motion and action less than men, both mentally and physically. i.e. Female brains process less sensory information as males. Women are known to be more time sensitive. So time and the synchronization required to agree on it maybe a construct of femininity itself.

Where is your evidence? How *much* difference is there? I'm annoyed at seeing small differences hyped to make it look like the two sexes are two very different species. I'm not saying that the two sexes are exactly alike, but that they are more alike than one might expect from our widespread tendency to treat them as two separate social castes, or even as two separate species.

Consider the massive study described in [citation needed]» Blog Archive » fMRI becomes big, big science

in the right panels, you can see that the differences between men and women are only a fraction of a standard deviation in size, despite the fact that these regions are probably selected because they show some of the “strongest” effects)

Carol Tavris made much the same point in her book The Mismeasure of Woman, which came out in 1992.

lots of differences of which fMRI is just one tool. i.e. Differences in grey matter density, women having more neuropil. Differences in hypothalamic function, parts of brain used to process information, EEG differences, larger structural differences on corpus callosum, limbic system etc. Differences in most of the major disorders which affect the brain such that researchers have to take sex into account.

I probably have all the neurological data on sex differences up to 2007, so we can go there if you want.

ADD. Remember sex differences are like race one of those science/politics no go zones, due to feminist interests getting in a rage over anything which marks out males could be superior. Fact is women are no good at building bridges, or building/fixing anything really. The only ones i am aware of who are, seem to be on lesbian spectrum. i.e. They have male brains.

[colubridae]

So If I may recap:-

We have farsight a self confessed amateur scientist who has written a book, needing to be sold.
He has been ridiculed on every serious science forum on the web.

He proposes a new explanation for time and uses beginners maths to demonstrate his explanation; when the same maths is used to demonstrate that his bizarre explanation for time applies to space as well, he simply changes his stance saying that maths can’t explain his explanation and uses this:-

No I don't. Hold you hands up a metre a part. There's a space between them. That isn't motion. But waggle your hands. That is.

Which carries as much scientific value as

“everything is made of varying amounts of earth fire air and water”

He also claims his theories lack rigor
He also claims he can’t do the maths, or worse says that the maths won’t prove anything.
He is unable to get any ‘serious’ scientist interested in his ‘postulate’.

Mistermack who claims that he is mainly interested in human evolution and admits that he knows nothing about science cheerfully supports Farsight and all his works. Despite admitting knowing nothing about science he is able to see through farsight’s lack of rigor at the essential validity of farsight’s proposals.

Along comes Brainman who is convinced that there is a conspiracy against farsight by the science hierarchy, who reject farsight’s ideas because they violate scientific dogma.
Brainman implies that if only the right resources were given to farsight then farsight’s proposal would rapidly gain its deserved world-wide acclaim.
He also believes that the way to achieve this aim is to post on a web forum devoted mainly to humorous atheism.
Brainman is not offering to do the maths himself but will go through the references to verify that the ‘proposal’ is watertight.
All of the above mentioned posters refuse to accept point blank that all farsight has to do is the maths for his ‘postulate’and make a prediction.


Please
1 watch these threads; I feel sure that very shortly someone will post something that’s ridiculous.
2 understand, I do not want Farsight to stop posting. His work is far too valuable.
3 tell me if anything is wrong with my recap. I’d love to know (ellipsis)

[Twiglet]

So If I may recap:-

We have farsight a self confessed amateur scientist who has written a book, needing to be sold.
He has been ridiculed on every serious science forum on the web.

He proposes a new explanation for time and uses beginners maths to demonstrate his explanation; when the same maths is used to demonstrate that his bizarre explanation for time applies to space as well, he simply changes his stance saying that maths can’t explain his explanation and uses this:-

No I don't. Hold you hands up a metre a part. There's a space between them. That isn't motion. But waggle your hands. That is.

Which carries as much scientific value as

“everything is made of varying amounts of earth fire air and water”

He also claims his theories lack rigor
He also claims he can’t do the maths, or worse says that the maths won’t prove anything.
He is unable to get any ‘serious’ scientist interested in his ‘postulate’.

Mistermack who claims that he is mainly interested in human evolution and admits that he knows nothing about science cheerfully supports Farsight and all his works. Despite admitting knowing nothing about science he is able to see through farsight’s lack of rigor at the essential validity of farsight’s proposals.

Along comes Brainman who is convinced that there is a conspiracy against farsight by the science hierarchy, who reject farsight’s ideas because they violate scientific dogma.
Brainman implies that if only the right resources were given to farsight then farsight’s proposal would rapidly gain its deserved world-wide acclaim.
He also believes that the way to achieve this aim is to post on a web forum devoted mainly to humorous atheism.
Brainman is not offering to do the maths himself but will go through the references to verify that the ‘proposal’ is watertight.
All of the above mentioned posters refuse to accept point blank that all farsight has to do is the maths for his ‘postulate’and make a prediction.


Please
1 watch these threads; I feel sure that very shortly someone will post something that’s ridiculous.
2 understand, I do not want Farsight to stop posting. His work is far too valuable.
3 tell me if anything is wrong with my recap. I’d love to know (ellipsis)

I think you missed that part where we are all establishment-hugging intellectual philistines unable to bask in the mind-expanding glory of new ideas. Let's face it, maybe we would be more receptive if given large amounts of LSD first, right?