Take their DNA, o.k.; just don't check immigration status!

[Coito ergo sum]

Well considering that my DNA is the blue print for almost every protein in my body a record of my ancestry and potential guide to future health problems ,mental as well as physical. And that it can be copied, distributed and/or placed at the crime scene and that most juries ARE convinced by an expert witness and the infallibility of DNA evidence I would much rather the Police didn't have a fucking sample of it .

All I can say is:
Paranoia.

You think a checking someone's ID, and with reasonable suspicion going the extra step to ask the BCIS if the person is properly documented, is "going too far" but you accuse a person with concerns about having DNA taken against his will, without any need for "reasonable suspicion", and put into a national database recording his identity that any cop can then access, is "paranoia?"

Also, too much CSI is bad for you. A blood sample is a rather poor way of framing someone.

You get pulled over for speeding: license, registration and insurance, please.

That information contains your address, as well as the ability to look in to your financial situation. Much more intrusive than a blood test, and almost infinitely more dangerous to you.

You think police should not be able to ask for your identification when they stop you or pull you over for speeding?

[Azathoth]

I'm just wondering how long it will be before things like driving licences will be an antiquated concept. It won't be long before they will be able to take a cheek swab when they pull you over and process it on site.

[Coito ergo sum]

I'm just wondering how long it will be before things like driving licences will be an antiquated concept. It won't be long before they will be able to take a cheek swab when they pull you over and process it on site.

That's fine, swab away, but just don't use it to verify immigration status. That would be going to too far.

[Feck]

I thought cops asked for a drivers licence when you got stopped in the US ? .I'm surprised that there is so much fuss over this .

The trouble I can see is that having a brown skin will Become the reason for the traffic stop ....Still that's SOP in the UK where driving at night or being young or having a new car or having an old car ,driving slowly or quickly ,or really any excuse can be used .


I should write a list .... my best one one was "we think we spotted a bald tyre !" I was doing 70mph in the dark !


Most counties in Britain now use anti-terrorism powers on regular stop and search cases !

[Coito ergo sum]

It's going too far to check someone's immigration status with a phone call or online check to ensure that a person is lawfully in the country, so we'll applaud the President of Mexico when he hypocritically lambastes Arizona law on the floor of the House. At the same time, though, we will push for a bill to require a national identification card, which would require people to carry national identification cards which would be tied to biometrics. The card would be swipe-able so that one's citizenship and work permit status would be instantly known. http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/9523 ... al-id-card

But....Arizona has gone to far, and are like Nazis asking for "your papers..."

[Feck]

If I agree with you that police should be able to check someone's immigration status will you stop going on about It ?

Franky I'm bored .

[Coito ergo sum]

I thought cops asked for a drivers licence when you got stopped in the US ?

They do, as a matter of course. I'm someone who has gotten dozens of speeding tickets. Every single time, I, and American citizen, has been intrusively asked for my drivers license, automobile registration card, and insurance card. If there is "reasonable suspicion" the police can search my vehicle without a warrant, make me exit the vehicle, frisk me, make me undergo various tests and quizzes on the side of the road, and even test me for blood alcohol level.

According to a bunch of rioting illegal aliens, and the politicians pandering to them, and President Calderone of Mexico, it's going too far to give a quick ring to the immigration service and ask if the person stopped is lawfully in the country....that's just beyond the pale. So they all stand up and applaud.

.I'm surprised that there is so much fuss over this .

For some reason, when it comes to checking immigration status, there is a fuss.

The trouble I can see is that having a brown skin will Become the reason for the traffic stop ....Still that's SOP in the UK where driving at night or being young or having a new car or having an old car ,driving slowly or quickly ,or really any excuse can be used .

Any law can be enforced discriminatorily. The Arizona law requires, though, that first the initial stop must itself be lawful and not a stop to check immigration status. That is, they have to be pulled over or stopped for some non-immigration related offense. If, in the conduct of that stop, there is some reasonable suspicion that the person might be an illegal alien, then they can take the identification that they've already asked for and give a quick ring to the immigration service and ask if the person is legal. Sounds like Nazi Germany alright....