Is the Tea Party a Feminist Movement?

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Re: Is the Tea Party a Feminist Movement?

Post by Martok » Fri May 14, 2010 5:55 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
I know at least a dozen people who voted for Obama and who say some iteration of "what have we done?" To me, he's doing exactly what he promised he would do when he ran for President. So, I can't see how anyone could complain unless they weren't paying attention to what he said.
Maybe they're disappointed with him for the same reasons I am. He's been a wuss when it comes to standing up to the republicans. His likability ratings are still very high (69%) but he slips big time when it comes to how he's done his job. If I had to grade the president I'd have to give him an F.

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Re: Is the Tea Party a Feminist Movement?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri May 14, 2010 5:55 pm

virphen wrote:
born-again-atheist wrote:one hundred percent of tea partiers need to get back to the kitchen.
:fix:

LOL - I could use a sandwich right about now.... :biggrin:

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Re: Is the Tea Party a Feminist Movement?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri May 14, 2010 6:15 pm

Martok wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
I know at least a dozen people who voted for Obama and who say some iteration of "what have we done?" To me, he's doing exactly what he promised he would do when he ran for President. So, I can't see how anyone could complain unless they weren't paying attention to what he said.
Maybe they're disappointed with him for the same reasons I am. He's been a wuss when it comes to standing up to the republicans.
I don't get that AT ALL. He has done nothing but stick his middle finger, metaphorically, in their faces. Stand up to them? He's rolled right the fuck over them. Despite every effort they made, and the obstacles his own party put in front of him, Obama got the health care bill through. He wanted the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act , and got it. I could list the things, if you need me to, that Republicans opposed and Obama and the Democrats got. What more do would you want, besides un-opposed rule by fiat? What was blocked?
Martok wrote: His likability ratings are still very high (69%) but he slips big time when it comes to how he's done his job. If I had to grade the president I'd have to give him an F.
Well, the reality is that no President ever, or at least in modern history, has had LESS opposition from the opposition party. If he hasn't achieved something, it is not the fault of the Republicans. They are barely hanging on to any influence in legislation.

His likeability ratings are high because people don't blame him, yet, for the economy sucking so much ass. The people do hate the Democratic led Congress as much as any politician has been hated before. The Congressional approval rating is in the toilet, and there are about 130 seats now in the House that are "in play" that were not "in play" a year ago. There is a huge potential for a landslide retaking of the House by the Republicans because of the dissatisfaction.
He ran as a moderate and now he's governing as a big-government liberal. That could have something to do with why so many Obama voters have become disaffected.

In a recent Hotline poll, 39 percent of respondents said they would vote for someone else if the election were held today. Half said they would vote for someone else.

Voters have lost faith in Obama to craft solutions to the country's economic challenges. Just 39% say they trust Obama more than GOPers in Congress, while 32% say they believe the GOP has the right ideas. That 7-point gap is down from a 29-point Obama advantage in the April '09 poll. ... A quarter of voters would definitely vote to re-elect Obama, while 37% would definitely vote for someone else.

It's another grim sign for Democrats heading into this year's congressional elections.
Read more: http://voices.kansascity.com/node/8901#ixzz0nvdxu0Ga

Megan McArdle put it this way:
Having defended Obama's candidacy largely on his economic team, I'm having serious buyer's remorse. [Timothy] Geithner, who is rapidly starting to look like the weakest link, is rattling around by himself in Treasury. Meanwhile, the administration is clearly prioritized a stimulus package that will not work without fixing the banks over, um, fixing the banking system. Unlike most fiscal conservatives, I'm not mad at him for trying to increase the size of the government; that's, after all, what he got elected promising to do. But he also promised to be non-partisan and accountable, and the size and composition stimulus package looks like just one more attempt to ram through his ideological agenda without much scrutiny, with the heaviest focus on programs that will be especially hard to cut.

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Re: Is the Tea Party a Feminist Movement?

Post by Martok » Sat May 15, 2010 1:10 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:
I don't get that AT ALL. He has done nothing but stick his middle finger, metaphorically, in their faces. Stand up to them? He's rolled right the fuck over them. Despite every effort they made, and the obstacles his own party put in front of him, Obama got the health care bill through. He wanted the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act , and got it. I could list the things, if you need me to, that Republicans opposed and Obama and the Democrats got. What more do would you want, besides un-opposed rule by fiat? What was blocked?
The president has wanted to work with the republicans from the beginning but they're refused. The republicans got some of their worthless ideas into the health care bill, thus making it weaker, but that wasn't enough, so they didn't vote for it. Now, on the campaign trail they love to point out those great GOP ideas in the health care bill but they still want to repeal it anyway.

Coito ergo sum wrote: Well, the reality is that no President ever, or at least in modern history, has had LESS opposition from the opposition party. If he hasn't achieved something, it is not the fault of the Republicans. They are barely hanging on to any influence in legislation.
I'm not blaming the republicans. I don't expect them to support the president at all. They are after all the party of NO. However, I do fault the president in trying to get their support and willing to make compromises when he shouldn't.
I know the consera-dems have been a problem also and the president doesn't push back against them nearly enough.

Coito ergo sum wrote:
In a recent Hotline poll, 39 percent of respondents said they would vote for someone else if the election were held today. Half said they would vote for someone else.
The problem with your example is that I would be part of that 39 percent. Even Keith Olbermann has suggested the president could face a primary challenge for 2012. Liberal bloggers are EXTREMELY disappointed in the president.

I know he won't do it but Al Franken is someone I could support in 2012, or maybe Alan Grayson. Hell, I'll even give some consideration to Ralf Nader.

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