The UK election thread

[Deep Sea Isopod]

Don't forget a large amount of the votes for BNP are protest votes. Those voters don't actually want them to have any real power, but if they thought the BNP would have power then they wouldn't vote for them.

So in a way it would be a good thing. Fewer people voting BNP.

Hmmm Not sure your logic, although reasonable, is the whole story. In a PR environment all votes will count. It is conceivable that people who currently would not vote BNP, because it is a wasted ,may well do so in a PR system as it would lead to a public voice and some limited measure of respectability for their views. It's the way Hitler made it into power after all.

No, I think people who really want the BNP to have some sort of power, would vote for them anyway. Why would they vote Lib Dems or Labour?
Also, at the thought of BNP getting power, more people would vote against them, and MP's in the top parties would have to do more to win support off the voter.
We are contantly bombarded with Daily Fail articles about immigration, Islam and spongers. That wins the BNP votes, so if the present gov.com is seen as doing something about it....?

[CJ]

Don't forget a large amount of the votes for BNP are protest votes. Those voters don't actually want them to have any real power, but if they thought the BNP would have power then they wouldn't vote for them.

So in a way it would be a good thing. Fewer people voting BNP.

Hmmm Not sure your logic, although reasonable, is the whole story. In a PR environment all votes will count. It is conceivable that people who currently would not vote BNP, because it is a wasted ,may well do so in a PR system as it would lead to a public voice and some limited measure of respectability for their views. It's the way Hitler made it into power after all.

No, I think people who really want the BNP to have some sort of power, would vote for them anyway. Why would they vote Lib Dems or Labour?
Also, at the thought of BNP getting power, more people would vote against them,

One can't vote against anybody only for somebody. And I think you just contradicted yourself by saying that is people were going to vote BNP they would do so whatever the method FPTP or PR?

and MP's in the top parties would have to do more to win support off the voter.
We are contantly bombarded with Daily Fail articles about immigration, Islam and spongers. That wins the BNP votes, so if the present gov.com is seen as doing something about it....?

Not sure what you're getting at here?

[Deep Sea Isopod]

Don't forget a large amount of the votes for BNP are protest votes. Those voters don't actually want them to have any real power, but if they thought the BNP would have power then they wouldn't vote for them.

So in a way it would be a good thing. Fewer people voting BNP.

Hmmm Not sure your logic, although reasonable, is the whole story. In a PR environment all votes will count. It is conceivable that people who currently would not vote BNP, because it is a wasted ,may well do so in a PR system as it would lead to a public voice and some limited measure of respectability for their views. It's the way Hitler made it into power after all.

No, I think people who really want the BNP to have some sort of power, would vote for them anyway. Why would they vote Lib Dems or Labour?


Also, at the thought of BNP getting power, more people would vote against them,

One can't vote against anybody only for somebody. And I think you just contradicted yourself by saying that is people were going to vote BNP they would do so whatever the method FPTP or PR?

Tactical voting? I voted Lib Dems this time to try to prevent Tories and Labour gaining overall power. Maybe now they'll listen to what the people want.

and MP's in the top parties would have to do more to win support off the voter.
We are contantly bombarded with Daily Fail articles about immigration, Islam and spongers. That wins the BNP votes, so if the present gov.com is seen as doing something about it....?

Not sure what you're getting at here?

If the gov.com done more to win the public over, then the papers would have less to report and the BNP would have fewer voters.
For example... Abu "The Hook" Hamza. Just fuck him off to the states where they want him. Don't pay for his trial when he can afford to buy a £250,000 home in cash!... With tax-payers money!

[CJ]

Don't forget a large amount of the votes for BNP are protest votes. Those voters don't actually want them to have any real power, but if they thought the BNP would have power then they wouldn't vote for them.

So in a way it would be a good thing. Fewer people voting BNP.

Hmmm Not sure your logic, although reasonable, is the whole story. In a PR environment all votes will count. It is conceivable that people who currently would not vote BNP, because it is a wasted ,may well do so in a PR system as it would lead to a public voice and some limited measure of respectability for their views. It's the way Hitler made it into power after all.

No, I think people who really want the BNP to have some sort of power, would vote for them anyway. Why would they vote Lib Dems or Labour?


Also, at the thought of BNP getting power, more people would vote against them,

One can't vote against anybody only for somebody. And I think you just contradicted yourself by saying that is people were going to vote BNP they would do so whatever the method FPTP or PR?

Tactical voting? I voted Lib Dems this time to try to prevent Tories and Labour gaining overall power. Maybe now they'll listen to what the people want.

Do you think the sort of person who votes BNP has the brains to vote tactically? I'm not sure. But until we get the rules for how the seats will be allocated it's all rather academic.

and MP's in the top parties would have to do more to win support off the voter.
We are contantly bombarded with Daily Fail articles about immigration, Islam and spongers. That wins the BNP votes, so if the present gov.com is seen as doing something about it....?

Not sure what you're getting at here?

If the gov.com done more to win the public over, then the papers would have less to report and the BNP would have fewer voters.
For example... Abu "The Hook" Hamza. Just fuck him off to the states where they want him. Don't pay for his trial when he can afford to buy a £250,000 home in cash!... With tax-payers money!

Hmmmm not sure.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

Do you think the sort of person who votes BNP has the brains to vote tactically?

Never under-estimate.

[Horwood Beer-Master]

Home Rule for Lancashire!

Home Rule for Kent! (and yes, that includes our irredentist claims against London).

[RuleBritannia]

If the gov.com done more to win the public over, then the papers would have less to report and the BNP would have fewer voters.
For example... Abu "The Hook" Hamza. Just fuck him off to the states where they want him. Don't pay for his trial when he can afford to buy a £250,000 home in cash!... With tax-payers money!

The papers will be complaining about something no matter what the government does, because that's what sells papers, bad news is good news for them.

In fact the papers will even make stuff up (strait bananas, anyone?) just to complain about something.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

If the gov.com done more to win the public over, then the papers would have less to report and the BNP would have fewer voters.
For example... Abu "The Hook" Hamza. Just fuck him off to the states where they want him. Don't pay for his trial when he can afford to buy a £250,000 home in cash!... With tax-payers money!

The papers will be complaining about something no matter what the government does, because that's what sells papers, bad news is good news for them.

In fact the papers will even make stuff up (strait bananas, anyone?) just to complain about something.

So who are we to believe? Politicians or newspapers?

[RuleBritannia]

If the gov.com done more to win the public over, then the papers would have less to report and the BNP would have fewer voters.
For example... Abu "The Hook" Hamza. Just fuck him off to the states where they want him. Don't pay for his trial when he can afford to buy a £250,000 home in cash!... With tax-payers money!

The papers will be complaining about something no matter what the government does, because that's what sells papers, bad news is good news for them.

In fact the papers will even make stuff up (strait bananas, anyone?) just to complain about something.

So who are we to believe? Politicians or newspapers?

You shouldn't believe either on face value.

[Pappa]

So who are we to believe? Politicians or newspapers?

You shouldn't believe either on face value.

Fixed.

[klr]

This just in:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/poli ... 672859.stm

Gordon Brown 'stepping down as Labour leader'

Gordon Brown has said he is stepping down as Labour Party leader.

Mr Brown, prime minister since 2007, said he wanted a successor to be in place by the time of the party's conference in September.

Mr Brown announced his intention to quit in a statement in Downing St in which he also said his party was to start formal talks with the Lib Dems.

...

The plot thickens ...

[RuleBritannia]

Saw it on BBC News when it broke. I think a Lib/Lab pact is edging closer.

I think they'll be very unpopular in the right wing press, and will divide the nation, but will be good for the country in the long run.

[klr]

Saw it on BBC News when it broke. I think a Lib/Lab pact is edging closer.

"Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen" - Dark Lord Mandelson Emperor Palpatine, Return of the Jedi

[Rum]

They still won't have a majority. Nobody knows who the next PM would be (and he/she would be unelected) and both parties got fewer votes than the Tories. Not a happy recipe.

David Miliband anyone.........?

One I prefer to a Conservative coalition however!

[Feck]

They still won't have a majority. Nobody knows who the next PM would be (and he/she would be unelected) and both parties got fewer votes than the Tories. Not a happy recipe.

David Miliband anyone.........?

One I prefer to a Conservative coalition however!

Oh no does that mean that the SNP members will hold the balance .... Alex Salmond ..... King Maker