Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film.

[Animavore]

Is it so impossible to concieve of a gravity which, artifically constructed, is perfectly designed for dramatisation?

There is a scene in the book Excession by Iain M.Banks where, as a guy living alone on an ex-Culture warship (he was a freak) is running away from a droid, previously he companion but now taken over, along with the whole ship, by an Affront vessel. As he was darting through the corridors, darting around corners, the ship kept changing the gravity so the the ceiling suddenly became the floor or the area further down the corridor.
It was pretty cool. Yer man got broke up the end and a missile knife took him in the end.

[AshtonBlack]

Is it so impossible to concieve of a gravity which, artifically constructed, is perfectly designed for dramatisation?

Made of purest narrativium?

[Trolldor]

Is it so impossible to concieve of a gravity which, artifically constructed, is perfectly designed for dramatisation?

Made of purest narrativium?

Direct from the planet 'Pandora'.

[Arse]

That whole 'time travel paradox' is predicated on the idea that Time is a linear set of events that must adhere to a strict guideline.

But if it isn't then the whole idea of going back in time to kill your enemy before he's born becomes pointless, since the enemy in your present would still exist. At best you would create another reality in which he doesn't exist, but that wouldn't do you any good.

[Trolldor]

That whole 'time travel paradox' is predicated on the idea that Time is a linear set of events that must adhere to a strict guideline.

But if it isn't then the whole idea of going back in time to kill your enemy before he's born becomes pointless, since the enemy in your present would still exist. At best you would create another reality in which he doesn't exist, but that wouldn't do you any good.

Two ways of looking at it:

If I change the future, it doesn't mean that I have to change along with it.

I come from point A, go to point B.


In point B i change a condition which is what made me leave point A.

But I don't exist in Point A anymore, I exist in point B. My existence may move with time, but it doesn't adhere to a linear set of events, rather they merely appear linear because of how I see them.



Second way is Yes, dual timelines, but irrelevant. If you change the past you change the future. Your future may not improve, but it's a matter of whether you think it's worth being able to change one future when your own can never be saved, or to leave it as is.

[owtth]

Is it so impossible to concieve of a gravity which, artifically constructed, is perfectly designed for dramatisation?

There is a scene in the book Excession by Iain M.Banks where, as a guy living alone on an ex-Culture warship (he was a freak) is running away from a droid, previously he companion but now taken over, along with the whole ship, by an Affront vessel. As he was darting through the corridors, darting around corners, the ship kept changing the gravity so the the ceiling suddenly became the floor or the area further down the corridor.
It was pretty cool. Yer man got broke up the end and a missile knife took him in the end.

I love that fucking book, wasn't it a droid running from the compromised ship including his twin droid?

[Thinking Aloud]

Not a film, but I once read a book where the novel way of doing space walks around the outside of an orbiting satellite was to use boots with suckers on them. Can't imagine why NASA didn't think of that.

[Link]

Arnie wasn't sent back in time to prevent himself from being made though, he was sent back to stop the T-1000 killing John Connor.

However, the most unbelievable thing in the entire Terminator franchise is the idea that anyone - even a lovesick soldier from a nightmare future - would ever volunteer to go back to the 1980s.

Ah but they did attempt to destroy Cyberdyne. Plus the chip that made the whole thing possible (which by the way was based on the remnants of the original Arnie Bot from the first film -another paradox) was then destroyed in the second film which is an impossibility It would be like going back in time and killing your parents so you are never born, you can't do it because then you wouldn't exist to go back in time and prevent your own birth in the first place.

Also T-1000 would never be able to kill John Connor because if he did John Connor wouldn't lead the resistance in the future and it would negate the reason for sending T-1000 back in the first place meaning Connor would live.

Although if you can look past the glaring Time Travelling mistakes the first two are still very good films (my personal favourite is T2)

Arnie was sent back in time to make lots of money for warner bros.

That whole 'time travel paradox' is predicated on the idea that Time is a linear set of events that must adhere to a strict guideline.

Indeed! but even if it created a parallel universe in which John Connor died it wouldn't affect their own timeline so would be pointless for them to attempt it!

EDIT: it's been addressed above, But if you're going to start making stuff like existence shifting up then why not just shift into one of the many possible alternate universes in which only Cyborgs exist??

[Animavore]

Is it so impossible to concieve of a gravity which, artifically constructed, is perfectly designed for dramatisation?

There is a scene in the book Excession by Iain M.Banks where, as a guy living alone on an ex-Culture warship (he was a freak) is running away from a droid, previously he companion but now taken over, along with the whole ship, by an Affront vessel. As he was darting through the corridors, darting around corners, the ship kept changing the gravity so the the ceiling suddenly became the floor or the area further down the corridor.
It was pretty cool. Yer man got broke up the end and a missile knife took him in the end.

I love that fucking book, wasn't it a droid running from the compromised ship including his twin droid?

No. It was a guy who lived on his own and didn't like being around people. He'd tried lots of things including being a woman but he refused to have his brain changed to fix it so the culture, being the culture, put him on a whole ship all by himself.

Actually I read it in 1999 so I could be fuzzy on that. It's on the shelf there I'll have a flick through it.

[owtth]

Is it so impossible to concieve of a gravity which, artifically constructed, is perfectly designed for dramatisation?

There is a scene in the book Excession by Iain M.Banks where, as a guy living alone on an ex-Culture warship (he was a freak) is running away from a droid, previously he companion but now taken over, along with the whole ship, by an Affront vessel. As he was darting through the corridors, darting around corners, the ship kept changing the gravity so the the ceiling suddenly became the floor or the area further down the corridor.
It was pretty cool. Yer man got broke up the end and a missile knife took him in the end.

I love that fucking book, wasn't it a droid running from the compromised ship including his twin droid?

No. It was a guy who lived on his own and didn't like being around people. He'd tried lots of things including being a woman but he refused to have his brain changed to fix it so the culture, being the culture, put him on a whole ship all by himself.

Actually I read it in 1999 so I could be fuzzy on that. It's on the shelf there I'll have a flick through it.

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

I think you're confusing two characters, the droid escaping the ship is at the very beginning of the book, whilst the loner lived on an asteroid used to store military ships that were mothballed, the asteroid was attacked by the warlike fuckers who were assisted by the traitor Culture minds who were in favour of starting a war

[Animavore]

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

I think you're confusing two characters, the droid escaping the ship is at the very beginning of the book, whilst the loner lived on an asteroid used to store military ships that were mothballed, the asteroid was attacked by the warlike fuckers who were assisted by the traitor Culture minds who were in favour of starting a war

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

That's exactly what I did. Just by sheer chance I opened on the page where that loner guy gets killed and he is killed by three droids ramming into him and blasting out the airlock sending him into space. I'll try find the other bit. I'll look for that bit at the beginning.

By the way. Did you spot the gorilla?

[Animavore]

Foundz it

[owtth]

Wasn't That a Terry Pratchett book?

[Animavore]

Wasn't That a Terry Pratchett book?

Subtle joke.

[Rum]

Prometheus is on Skt TV tonight as their 'premier'. Thought I would give it a second chance as I was in a bad mood when I saw it in the cinema.

It was however as dreadful as I thought it was then.

Star Wars and Stra Trek - OK, gravity is under control and they can all walk around inside some sort of induced gravity field. After all its a few hundred years in the future. In Prometheus though it is set later this century (a big ask to begin with) and they are all walking around their ship with ordinary gravity. No explanation and ..well nothing. Then they start to talk about life after death..

At which point I turned it off!