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Post by Ian » Thu May 06, 2010 7:12 pm

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Pappa wrote:If it was a US Govt. conspiracy...

Why didn't they just get two commercial airliners and fly them onto the towers, and not bother with all the fiddly missiles, thermite, precision timing, etc.?

It would have been a lot easier.

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The missile was just fired to soften up the target prior to impact, which was just to soften up the building prior to reverse controlled demolition. It's Occam's razor people ffs :ask:
I think the Twin Towers were made of cheese. :what:
No... I'd been up on the observation deck several times before 9/11. There was no cheese smell. But I did detect faint scents of bacon wafting through the air. :eddy:

I might as well disclose the truth of the Pentagon attack now: it wasn't an airplane or even a missile: it was one of Rambo's explosive arrows, launched from the parking lot.

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Post by owtth » Thu May 06, 2010 7:27 pm

Ian wrote: No... I'd been up on the observation deck several times before 9/11. There was no cheese smell. But I did detect faint scents of bacon wafting through the air. :eddy:

I might as well disclose the truth of the Pentagon attack now: it wasn't an airplane or even a missile: it was one of Rambo's explosive arrows, launched from the parking lot.
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Post by Pappa » Thu May 06, 2010 7:35 pm

Ian wrote: No... I'd been up on the observation deck several times before 9/11. There was no cheese smell. But I did detect faint scents of bacon wafting through the air. :eddy:

I might as well disclose the truth of the Pentagon attack now: it wasn't an airplane or even a missile: it was one of Rambo's explosive arrows, launched from the parking lot.
They're obviously massive bacon lardons from some intergalactic Uber-swine.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu May 06, 2010 9:19 pm

Ooooh!!! Great idea, Rum!

We could use a good "We Faked the Moon Landing" thread....is one already in existence?

...I love those wacky theorists and their crazy arguments about rock shadows, absent stars, flags waving in the breeze on the Moon, and how humans couldn't survive a trip through the Van Allen Radiation Belt (...and that it doesn't matter that Van Allen himself said that people could survive the trip....). :funny:

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Re: response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 att

Post by Razor » Fri May 07, 2010 10:13 am

Galaxian wrote:
Thinking Aloud wrote:Here's the Pentagon video I was talking about - you'll all have seen it before...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8
Thank you for at least posting something. Just a pity it's way out of field. It's understandable why it took them an inordinate length of time just to get this & one other poxy video out to the public...they needed time to doctor them.
This is by far your most revealing comment imo. It demonstrates entirely that your position is indeed unfalsifiable.

Lets imagine that those 83 tapes all exist and lets assume they were all released tomorrow. What would your reaction be if each one that captured the event showed a passanger plane crashing staight into the pentagon as per the "official" explaination?

Would it be
"I now accept that a core reason for my suspicions have been demonstrably and beyond doubt proven to be false and I withdraw my claims and and admit I was wrong"?

Would it fuck.

What it would be is:
"Of course they all show that. They've all been doctored"

Your position is unfalsifiable. Case closed.
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Re: response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 att

Post by Galaxian » Fri May 07, 2010 12:15 pm

CES, you're such a literalist in your world view that it is embarrassing being seen on the same forum as you. Howbeit, that's the cross I have to bear in disseminating knowledge. Some examples follow: Galaxian's response in RED
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Galaxian wrote:Here is the "convergence of evidence from multiple lines of inquiry which most of you put down to chance:
1) That the air defense of NY & Washington DC was stood down on 9/11.
Coito ergo sum wrote:I'll take the first one:
The problem with your allegation is that it is wrong. There was no "stand down" order. "By means of shrewd lies, unremittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe that heaven is hell - and hell heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it will be believed." Adolf Hitler
If you claim there was one, provide a link or citation.
"The essence of lying is in deception, not in words. A lie may be told by silence, by equivocation, by the accent on a syllable, by a glance of the eye attaching a peculiar significance to a sentence. All these kinds of lies are worse and baser by many degrees than a lie plainly worded. No form of blinded conscience is so far sunk as that which comforts itself for having deceived because the deception was by gesture or silence, instead of utterance." John Ruskin. My guess is that you are inferring a stand down order from the failure of US fighters to intercept the planes that crashed into buildings on 9/11.
Funny, though, as an aside, you and other Truthers have also made the argument that the planes, drones or missiles that crashed into the buildings were planted by the government. If the government had really orchestrated the events of 9/11 such that they knew they were taking the towers down by controlled demolition and they knew they were hitting the Pentagon with a missile.....why would they "stand down" the military at all? They control the military. Wouldn't someone orchestrating this plan know that if they ordered the military to stand down, it would look suspicious and so they should send up military craft, but control them in such a way that they looked like they responded, but couldn't stop the events? Have you just admitted that you are a terrorist mastermind in the 9/11 cabal?
Nevertheless, it is neither quick nor easy to locate and intercept a plane behaving erratically, and that the hijackers on 9.11 turned off or disabled the onboard radar transponders. Without these transponder signals to identify the airplanes, the hijacked airplanes would have been only blips among 4,500 other blips on NORAD’S radar screens, making them very difficult to track. Fourteen fighter jets were on alert in the contiguous 48 states on 9/11. There was no automated method for the civilian air traffic controllers to alert NORAD. A passenger airline hadn't been hijacked in the US since 1979. "They had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. By way of example, NORAD intercepted golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 22 minutes to reach the jet from the time when contact was lost.That paragraph was pure sophistry.
Rules in effect on 9/11, barred supersonic flight on intercepts. Before 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones. Until 9/11 there was no domestic Air Defense Identification Zones.YOU provide the evidence. But be careful, I'm likely to claim that it is a convenient disinformation.
There was no stand down order. Period.You think every order is written in black & white & released to the world at large? So the secret services don't really exist?

You really must develop some degree of cynicism & skeptical thinking. Taqqiya or dissimulation has been around for millions of years. It is in the natural order of things. Except...in your naive world view in the US government. :read:
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Re: response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 att

Post by colubridae » Fri May 07, 2010 12:20 pm

Galaxian, you do know that your ID means 'milky'?
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Re: response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 att

Post by owtth » Fri May 07, 2010 12:22 pm

Galaxian wrote:CES, you're such a literalist in your world view that it is embarrassing being seen on the same forum as you. Howbeit, that's the cross I have to bear in disseminating knowledge. Some examples follow: Galaxian's response in RED
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Galaxian wrote:Here is the "convergence of evidence from multiple lines of inquiry which most of you put down to chance:
1) That the air defense of NY & Washington DC was stood down on 9/11.
Coito ergo sum wrote:I'll take the first one:
The problem with your allegation is that it is wrong. There was no "stand down" order. "By means of shrewd lies, unremittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe that heaven is hell - and hell heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it will be believed." Adolf Hitler
If you claim there was one, provide a link or citation.
"The essence of lying is in deception, not in words. A lie may be told by silence, by equivocation, by the accent on a syllable, by a glance of the eye attaching a peculiar significance to a sentence. All these kinds of lies are worse and baser by many degrees than a lie plainly worded. No form of blinded conscience is so far sunk as that which comforts itself for having deceived because the deception was by gesture or silence, instead of utterance." John Ruskin. My guess is that you are inferring a stand down order from the failure of US fighters to intercept the planes that crashed into buildings on 9/11.
Funny, though, as an aside, you and other Truthers have also made the argument that the planes, drones or missiles that crashed into the buildings were planted by the government. If the government had really orchestrated the events of 9/11 such that they knew they were taking the towers down by controlled demolition and they knew they were hitting the Pentagon with a missile.....why would they "stand down" the military at all? They control the military. Wouldn't someone orchestrating this plan know that if they ordered the military to stand down, it would look suspicious and so they should send up military craft, but control them in such a way that they looked like they responded, but couldn't stop the events? Have you just admitted that you are a terrorist mastermind in the 9/11 cabal?
Nevertheless, it is neither quick nor easy to locate and intercept a plane behaving erratically, and that the hijackers on 9.11 turned off or disabled the onboard radar transponders. Without these transponder signals to identify the airplanes, the hijacked airplanes would have been only blips among 4,500 other blips on NORAD’S radar screens, making them very difficult to track. Fourteen fighter jets were on alert in the contiguous 48 states on 9/11. There was no automated method for the civilian air traffic controllers to alert NORAD. A passenger airline hadn't been hijacked in the US since 1979. "They had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. By way of example, NORAD intercepted golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 22 minutes to reach the jet from the time when contact was lost.That paragraph was pure sophistry.
Rules in effect on 9/11, barred supersonic flight on intercepts. Before 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones. Until 9/11 there was no domestic Air Defense Identification Zones.YOU provide the evidence. But be careful, I'm likely to claim that it is a convenient disinformation.
There was no stand down order. Period.You think every order is written in black & white & released to the world at large? So the secret services don't really exist?

You really must develop some degree of cynicism & skeptical thinking. Taqqiya or dissimulation has been around for millions of years. It is in the natural order of things. Except...in your naive world view in the US government. :read:


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Post by Galaxian » Fri May 07, 2010 12:25 pm

More cliche-ridden nonsense. Using not just smoke & mirrors, but also blindfolds! Galaxian's response in RED
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Galaxian wrote:Here is the "convergence of evidence from multiple lines of inquiry which most of you put down to chance:
2) That WTC 1 & 2 were hit by non-commercial planes; as evident from the bulky add-on under their fuselage.
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On to number 2 -
No, there were no bulky add ons. Your saying it doesn't make it so. What's your evidence?You could try using your eyes. Here's the photo pasted by you:
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Look especially at the bottom, close-up.

They found parts of the commercial airliners at the scene of the world trade center collapse, and DNA of passengers.Did they indeed? Lot's of passenger bits. Even an undamaged passport from their suspect! But the 4 black boxes were missing...oh dear! How inconvenient (NOT). The flights did take off from commercial airports and they are gone. Pieces of the planes and the passengers were found at the WTC. There has been an allegation from Truther groups that an image of the undersigned of one of the planes on 9/11 contains a "military pod" underneath the fuselage. It doesn't though. It's a fairing for the landing gear.
CES your sophistry knows no bounds. Was your mentor Plato...or more likely St Thomas Aquinas. Just look at the photo! :hehe:
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri May 07, 2010 12:28 pm

Galaxian wrote:Here is the "convergence of evidence from multiple lines of inquiry which most of you put down to chance:
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5) That 3 towers, of 110 floors & 47 floors, fell on to their own footprint, despite the fact that natural variability in inter-floor impact & failure would have given them a preferred lateral movement. :
O.k. on to number 5 -- I can go on until Galaxian wants to discuss any of these, rather than merely shutgun out cut and pastes from conspiracy websites and swallow them whole:

The answer here is that the towers fell exactly as one would expect if they fell from catastrophic injury to the buildings most of the way up their height. And, they did not fall at all like we would expect them to fall in a controlled demolition. I'll refer you to the video comparisons above of the WTC towers, and the Hudson's building in Detroit.

In controlled demolitions, detonating devices weaken or disrupt all major support points in a building at the same time. Therefore, once the collapse begins, all parts of the building are simultaneously in motion, free-falling to the ground. However, this is definitely not what happens during the collapse of WTC Buildings 1 and 2. Carefully review footage of the collapses, and you will find that the parts of the buildings above the plane impact points begin falling first, while the lower parts of the buildings are initially stationary. The parts of the towers below the impact point do not begin to fall until the higher floors have collapsed onto them. This is not what we would expect if the towers collapsed from a controlled demolition, but it is exactly what we would expect if the building collapse resulted from damage sustained by the impact of the planes and subsequent fire damage. A conspiracy theorist may counter that the buildings were rigged to begin falling from the top down, but what are the chances that those planning such a complicated demolition would be able to predict the exact location the planes would impact the towers, and prepare the towers to begin falling precisely there?

Additionally, footage of the collapse of the South Tower, or Building 2 reveals that the tower did not fall straight down, as the North Tower and buildings leveled by controlled demolitions typically fall. Instead, the tower tilted toward the direction of the impact point, and then began to pancake downward with the top part of the building tilted at an angle. The difference between the two collapses can be explained by the different way each airplane struck the buildings. The first plane struck the North Tower (Building 1) between the 94th to 98th floors and hit it head on, burrowing almost directly toward the core of the building. The second airplane struck the South Tower between the 78th and 84th floors, but sliced in at an angle, severely damaging the entire northeast corner of the building. Compared with the North Tower, the South Tower sustained damage that was both less evenly distributed and significantly lower on the building’s frame, requiring the weakened point to support more upper building weight than the corresponding crash site on the North Tower. This explains both the tilt of the building as it fell toward the weakened corner, and the fact that the South Tower fell first despite being struck after the North Tower was struck. Again, this scenario makes good sense if the buildings fell due to damage inflicted by the plane crashes, but makes very little sense if the buildings fell due to a planned demolition.

So, Galaxian, do you still maintain that the towers would not have fallen like they did if they were damaged the way they were? On what basis?

Let's look at it this way - if the towers would have fallen differently if hit by planes sufficient to knock out the supports of the upper floors at the height of the impacts in these cases, what would have happened? Would they have "tipped over?" If you think that, are you sure about your physics? Have you seen any calculations based on the weight of the buildings, the force of gravity, etc.?

And, let me ask you this from a conceptual standpoint - let's assume you are correct, and that buildings hit by airplanes would have not fallen like they did but would have been a lot messier or have fallen "laterally." Why would the government conspirators engaged in that inside job care? They're already blowing up the two towers and building 7 - who would care if a few of the neighboring buildings got damaged in the process, right? In fact, it would have been BETTER for them because the more damage done, the more political capital gained from the event, right? What possible need would there be to to further complicate the conspiracy to prevent damage to areas surrounding the WTC buildings 1 and 2?

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Post by owtth » Fri May 07, 2010 12:29 pm

Galaxian wrote: CES your sophistry knows no bounds. Was your mentor Plato...or more likely St Thomas Aquinas. Just look at the photo! :hehe:

I don't think you understand what "sophistry" is.
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Post by Galaxian » Fri May 07, 2010 12:56 pm

More sleight of hand from Yuri Geller's acolyte. Galaxian's response in RED
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Galaxian wrote:Here is the "convergence of evidence from multiple lines of inquiry which most of you put down to chance:
3) That the planes impacting WTC 1 & 2 were preceded milliseconds before impact by a flash of light.
Do the words "preceded" & "before" mean anything to you?
When the noses of the aircraft hit the buildings, you have a bright aluminum flash, the same as we saw at the Pentagon. That's obvious to anyone familiar with physics, chemistry, and what happens when aluminum hits a structure at a high rate of speed Oh yes. I remember it distinctly, we had that at school "boys & girls, when a plane hits a building at 400mph you get a bright flash of light, but only before the impact"." And the proof of that analysis, is in the In Plane Sight video. If you watch just a few frames after the nose flash, you'll see two smaller aluminum flashes as each engine strikes the building. CES, why are you lying? I've looked at all those clips in slow motion, zoomed to full screen size. There is no flash except from ahead of the nose just before impact. Check it again, Galaxian. You claimed before to know all about the laws of physics and nature. Are you rejecting them now? No CES, it is YOU who doesn't appear to even know what physics & Nature is, let alone their laws. What was that bullshittery about "obvious to anyone familiar with physics, chemistry..." That a) there is a flash of light, but only at the nose (or more pertinent ahead of the nose. b) The rest of the plane impacting at the same speed doesn't elicit such a flash. Where is YOUR scientific rational powers?
Also, supposedly these flashes were caused by missiles Who the fuck said they were caused by missiles? I did NOT say that. Even the "Plane Sight" commentator talks of the bulge being similar to a 'radome' (radar nacelle), according to In Plane Sight, and other Truthers. The missiles are said to have been fired from the bulky pod on the belly of each of the jumbo jets Why are you dragging in this red-herring, except out of your own confusion or deliberate obfuscation?, that you referred to in point 2. But, if that is the case, where is the flash from the ignition of the missile; why is there no missile exhaust flare seen on the video? Where is that flash? Who gives a fuck about YOUR hypothetical missile? I don't. I NEVER claimed to know what the flash is. Simply that it is a curiosity that, together with the underbelly bulge, should be investigated.
So, why should we be concerned about flashes of light that are perfectly natural and according to the laws of physics and nature? It would have been weird if there weren't those flashes.
You know little to nothing about physics & the laws of Nature. Or if you do, it is as a magpie collects pretty & bright things, not knowing the function or importance or application of those laws & principles, & scientific methodology. You pulled out of your arse something about "obvious to anyone familiar with physics, chemistry, and what happens when aluminum hits a structure at a high rate of speed". Neglecting to even notice that the ENTIRE plane hits the tower at high speed, while the flash is just at the nose, or rather a little ahead of it.
Now, as already stated, I haven't a clue what that flash is. I have the humility to state that. But it is curious. It never appears in other videos of aluminum planes hitting buildings at 500mph (there are several, look for them yourself). :lay:
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Post by Galaxian » Fri May 07, 2010 1:07 pm

The braying continues, eh? Such inane remarks as the following. Galaxian's response in RED
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klr wrote:Riiiight ... the "bulky pod" that just happens to look like what the main undercarriage bay fairing would look like when viewed from a certain angle and in a certain light, when moving at speed.What lazy bullshit you spout. Have you even bothered looking at photos of similar planes?
So, how did they manage to attach this ... er ... pod ... thing ... to the belly of an airliner, and take off, without anyone noticing? were you asleep through the previous posts? Did you bother watching the videos I posted?...No, of course you didn't. It's too taxing on the brain!
Well, like Galaxian said, it's not really a commercial airliner. It's a non-commercial airplane. Apparently, it was fitted with a pod to fire missiles. So YOU assume it was a missile pod. Then why wasn't it fired? The instant before it struck the tower, a missile was fired If so, then where is the exhaust of the missile or the image of it re;easing & miving forward?which caused the instantaneous flash of white light as it impacted Missiles do NOT cause a flash of light upon impact, neither do planes. They explode upon impact (or after depending on the fuse setting). Watch some missile impact clips. .
I'm not sure why they had to go through all this trouble, though, since also according to Galaxian, the building was brought down by a controlled demolition Not quite. Galaxian said that they could NOT have come down as they did by natural collapse. In other words, controlled demolition is, by far, the more likely scenario. But, nevertheless, that is Galaxian's argument. The buildings were brought down by a controlled demolition, but the buildings were also hit by noncommercial planes made to look like airlines but fitted with military missile pods underneath in order to fire a missile at the exact instant that the nose of the plane was hitting the wall of the tower. And, the US military "must have" ordered the air defense to "stand down" so as not to intercept these noncommercial planes that were actually controlled by the same people who rigged the airplanes to fire the missiles as they struck the towers.
The rest of your inane post is more of your febrile imagination. Do you have a temperature? Might be bird(brain) flu! :funny:
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri May 07, 2010 1:08 pm

Galaxian wrote:More sleight of hand from Yuri Geller's acolyte. Galaxian's response in RED
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Galaxian wrote:Here is the "convergence of evidence from multiple lines of inquiry which most of you put down to chance:
3) That the planes impacting WTC 1 & 2 were preceded milliseconds before impact by a flash of light.
Do the words "preceded" & "before" mean anything to you?
When the noses of the aircraft hit the buildings, you have a bright aluminum flash, the same as we saw at the Pentagon. That's obvious to anyone familiar with physics, chemistry, and what happens when aluminum hits a structure at a high rate of speed Oh yes. I remember it distinctly, we had that at school "boys & girls, when a plane hits a building at 400mph you get a bright flash of light, but only before the impact"." And the proof of that analysis, is in the In Plane Sight video. If you watch just a few frames after the nose flash, you'll see two smaller aluminum flashes as each engine strikes the building. CES, why are you lying? I've looked at all those clips in slow motion, zoomed to full screen size. There is no flash except from ahead of the nose just before impact. Check it again, Galaxian. You claimed before to know all about the laws of physics and nature. Are you rejecting them now? No CES, it is YOU who doesn't appear to even know what physics & Nature is, let alone their laws. What was that bullshittery about "obvious to anyone familiar with physics, chemistry..." That a) there is a flash of light, but only at the nose (or more pertinent ahead of the nose. b) The rest of the plane impacting at the same speed doesn't elicit such a flash. Where is YOUR scientific rational powers?
Also, supposedly these flashes were caused by missiles Who the fuck said they were caused by missiles? I did NOT say that. Even the "Plane Sight" commentator talks of the bulge being similar to a 'radome' (radar nacelle), according to In Plane Sight, and other Truthers. The missiles are said to have been fired from the bulky pod on the belly of each of the jumbo jets Why are you dragging in this red-herring, except out of your own confusion or deliberate obfuscation?, that you referred to in point 2. But, if that is the case, where is the flash from the ignition of the missile; why is there no missile exhaust flare seen on the video? Where is that flash? Who gives a fuck about YOUR hypothetical missile? I don't. I NEVER claimed to know what the flash is. Simply that it is a curiosity that, together with the underbelly bulge, should be investigated.
So, why should we be concerned about flashes of light that are perfectly natural and according to the laws of physics and nature? It would have been weird if there weren't those flashes.
You know little to nothing about physics & the laws of Nature. Or if you do, it is as a magpie collects pretty & bright things, not knowing the function or importance or application of those laws & principles, & scientific methodology. You pulled out of your arse something about "obvious to anyone familiar with physics, chemistry, and what happens when aluminum hits a structure at a high rate of speed". Neglecting to even notice that the ENTIRE plane hits the tower at high speed, while the flash is just at the nose, or rather a little ahead of it.
Now, as already stated, I haven't a clue what that flash is. I have the humility to state that. But it is curious. It never appears in other videos of aluminum planes hitting buildings at 500mph (there are several, look for them yourself). :lay:

LOL - o.k. - YOU didn't say anything about a missile coming out of the pod. But, sadly, other conspiracy nutballs have made that claim. I'm glad you agree that it is total shit. At least we agree on that point.

But, the flash you see in the film is easily explainable by what happens when aluminum impacts the building.

If you want me to look at any videos, then you provide the link. I'm not going to hunt and peck to figure out what it is that you're referring to. I won't do your work for you. If all you can do is cut and paste from conspiracy websites, and then throw up your hands and say "I haven't a clue what the flashes are" (meaning you haven't even investigated what the likely causes might be under the circumstances) then that is up to you. But, you're the one making the claim that 9/11 was some kind of inside job. If this is all the proof you have - a bullshit list of debunked nonsense that you claim "raises questions" that you don't even try to find the answers to, then you're obviously just engaged in wishful (and lazy) thinking.

EDIT -- By the way - you never linked us to the video that you claim shows the flash you're talking about. Let's see it.

EDIT 2 - by the way again, I was surprised at Mr. Galaxian's indignant response to my suggestion that the conspiracy theorists claim there is a missile shooting out of that pod. I'm glad he thinks they're idiots too. Here's a video where the Truthers try to claim there is a missile pod which fires right before the plane hits the building:



So, that'll teach me to go out and do Galaxian's work for him, and bring in the stuff that the Truthers claim is evidence. You see that, Galaxian? You said to go out and get videos on youtube, because the proof for your stupid arguments is out there. So, I go to youtube, look at the videos produced by your heroes, and now you take issue with it, saying you don't agree with them. Well, buddy, that's why it's your fucking job to support your argument. If you don't do that, and just tell us to go do your work for you, then it's just a big shell game and you just keep moving the goal posts. So, if it pisses you off that I talked about the missile pod, then you should damn well make your argument plain and support it with your evidence.
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