Oklahoma, what have you done?!

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Oklahoma, what have you done?!

Post by Kristie » Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:39 pm

It's times like these, I'm ashamed to be an American. :nono:

"The state of Oklahoma just decided, and by an appallingly high margin I might add, that a doctor is protected from being sued if he or she chooses not to tell a woman that the baby she is carrying has a birth defect.

State legislators made this decision Tuesday, voting 36-12 in the Senate and 84-12 in the House to override Gov. Brad Henry's veto of this law. (The Legislature also overrode the governor's veto of a second egregious law, HB 2780, which forces women to view an ultrasound before having an abortion.)

Oklahoma, what have you done?

Under this new law, a doctor may withhold information, mislead or even blatantly lie to a pregnant woman and her partner about the health of their baby if the doctor so much as thinks that fetal test results would cause a woman to consider abortion.

As expected, the anti-abortion movement is claiming victory. But this bill isn't "anti-abortion." It is devastating because it is anti-motherhood and anti-medicine.

When I found out I was pregnant with each of my children, like every woman who has ever undergone fetal testing, I held my breath at each doctor's appointment. I didn't let it go until the doctor or the tech said, "Everything looks great." I seized up when they took out the blood work results and I didn't relax until I heard, "It all came back negative."

But a woman in Oklahoma no longer gets to exhale. Because now, when a doctor says, "Everything looks fine," she has to wonder; does it really? Oklahoma politicians have now said that she can no longer count on the sacred trust that always existed between her and her doctor. A doctor may now lie to her face and, in doing so, deny a woman what is quite possibly the most important piece of information she will ever receive in her life.

The very thought makes my breath catch even now. The information you get on those visits matters to every woman getting prenatal care, regardless of what she decides to do based upon the results. The legislators have decided that a woman, when she becomes pregnant, loses the right to full, honest information from her doctor.

It is her right to know this information. It is how she and her family determine what to do next, not only to decide if they want to continue a pregnancy, but also to consider how they will prepare to care for a special needs child.

What specialist will they turn to? What support will they require? Who will hold their hand in the delivery room if a child is born who will only live an hour, or a day? Does she want to call her own mom in from across the country or does she want to grieve silently with her partner? What will they tell the children they already have?

Doesn't every family have the right to the information that may help them decide the course of their future or the future of their child? According to the Oklahoma State Legislature, they no longer do.

These politicians have decided they know best what women need. They are wrong.

I ask each politician in Oklahoma who voted yes on this bill: How dare you? How dare you deny a woman the peace of mind that her baby is healthy? How dare you not give her and her family time to prepare if, God forbid, her baby is not? How is this bill "pro-life"? How is this mockery of medical care and paternalistic devaluing of women, "pro-life"?

This bill is anti-mom, it's anti-doctor and it is anti-family. And all women, regardless of how they feel about abortion, should be appalled. I hope the courts stand up for the women and families whom politicians have turned their backs on and find this law unconstitutional and flat-out wrong."

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Re: Oklahoma, what have you done?!

Post by Animavore » Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:42 pm

:shock: That is wrong on so many levels. The anti-abortion crowd, in their hysteria, think they've won something but what about the (usually silent) preparing-a-mother-for-what-is-coming crowd?
Does this mean that women in this state will now have to get a second opinion (even a third) on their child?
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Post by Rum » Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:45 pm

This story makes me feel sick.

Isn't there a medical organisation which can fight this??

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Post by kiki5711 » Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:47 pm

Presumably the women in Oklahoma know this new law, if they ask the doctor if he's lying can he still go on lying? The women will be forced to ask the doctor before continue to see him if he agrees with this new policy. Are they allowed to lie even then, before the treatment starts. This all sounds so wrong. I can't believe it.

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Post by Animavore » Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:48 pm

Doesn't this also go against the Hippocratic oath?
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Post by owtth » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:00 pm

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Post by AshtonBlack » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:06 pm

owtth wrote:Sickening
This is fucking cruel. How could ANYONE think this shit up!

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Re: Oklahoma, what have you done?!

Post by Randydeluxe » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:12 pm

I said years ago that it would take a special kind of stupid for a state legislature to sink below that of Texas, where 1/3 of our state legislature actually fled the state for a month during sessions.

And Arizona and Oklahoma have found a way.

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Post by Animavore » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:18 pm

Don't worry. We have stupid cunts in Ireland too. The Christian Solider Party who got a whole, whopping, 203 votes in 2009.
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Re: Oklahoma, what have you done?!

Post by Feck » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:52 pm

That's just wrong horribly wrong .. I feel sick just reading it, what are these people on ?

So you choose a Doctor, pay for the tests and then they lie to you !over something as devastating as that !

Surely that law cannot be upheld wouldn't that break federal laws?
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Re: Oklahoma, what have you done?!

Post by Ian » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:59 pm

Doesn't surprise me a bit. Oklahoma is one of the more backward states in the union (along with most of the other red ones). The term "Okie from Muskogee" didn't come out of thin air.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:13 pm

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Re: Oklahoma, what have you done?!

Post by mozg » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:53 pm

For anyone interested in reading the bill, here is a link:

HB 2656

It's only 3 pages, and basically says that a person can no longer sue for wrongful birth or wrongful life if a doctor's 'act or omission' results in the mother not obtaining an abortion.

So if the doctor does not tell you that your fetus has not developed a brain, and you would have aborted if you'd had that knowledge, you cannot sue the doctor over it.

But just to prove how much they love women, the last section says that the survivors of the mother can sue if the doctor's omission kills her.
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Re: Oklahoma, what have you done?!

Post by Ian » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:55 pm

If the US were a classroom and the states were students, Oklahoma would be sitting in the corner with a pointy cap on right about now. :roll:

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Re: Oklahoma, what have you done?!

Post by Kristie » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:58 pm

I like how the doctors now hold the right to judge which mothers they think will abort if there's a problem. What if the doctor was wrong and he stole valuable preparation time from parents that would've kept the child either way? That's so not fair.
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