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Re: Noah's Ark Discovered!

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:29 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
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Coito ergo sum wrote:Apparently, the evangelicals, Noah's Ark Ministries International, who are funding this debacle are "99.9 percent" that a wooden structure found on the mountainside was part of a ship that housed the Biblical Noah, his family and a menagerie of creatures during a giant flood 4,800 years ago.

Genesis identifies the mountains of Urartu (a.k.a. Ararat) as the landing zone for the ark, but not a specific peak. If the ark actually did land on Mt. Ararat specifically, and not just in the "mountains of" Ararat, then why would the writer not just write "Mt. Ararat?"

And, of course, there is not enough water in the world to get an ark that high up a mountain.
Is that the "original" that is worded like that, or the KJV? Translation errors could account for this.
Errors?

Since the original was in Hebrew, and I do not read Hebrew, I do not know.

But, "The name Ararat, as it appears in the Bible, is the Hebrew equivalent of ...Urartu, ancient country of southwest Asia...mentioned in Assyrian sources from the early 13th century BC" Encyclopaedia Britanica 15th ed. And, the Mountains of Ararat (Armenian: Արարատ, Turkish Ağrı Dağı, Biblical Hebrew הרי אררט, Tiberian hārəy Ǎrārāṭ, Septuagint: τὰ ὄρη τὰ or τοῦ Ἀραρὰτ) is the place named in the Book of Genesis where Noah's Ark came to rest after the great flood (Genesis 8:4). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountains_of_Ararat. The Book of Jubilees (7:1) specifies that the Ark came to rest on one of the peaks of the "Mountains of Ararat" called "Lubar". Id. The Latin Vulgate says "requievitque arca [...] super montes Armeniae", which means literally "and the ark rested [...] on the mountains of Armenia", which was corrected to "... mountains of Ararat" (montes Ararat) in the Nova Vulgata (New Vulgate). Id.
Ah, revisions, correction and "well, this is what they REALLY meant" stuff. Gotta love it. I wonder what physics would look like under the same system. :hehe:
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Re: Noah's Ark Discovered!

Post by Pappa » Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:40 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Ah, revisions, correction and "well, this is what they REALLY meant" stuff. Gotta love it. I wonder what physics would look like under the same system. :hehe:
I once had an argument with some Xtians in the comments of some online newspaper article about Luke 14:26. They refused to accept Jesus would say you have to be willing to hate... because they were reading some heavily revised version. I was told the correct reading was "like less" not hate.

Here's the KJV version in all it's glory:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
The New International and New American are pretty similar.

The English Standard Version get's 10/10 from me. :tup:
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The Message version. :?
One day when large groups of people were walking along with him, Jesus turned and told them, "Anyone who comes to me but refuses to let go of father, mother, spouse, children, brothers, sisters—yes, even one's own self!—can't be my disciple. Anyone who won't shoulder his own cross and follow behind me can't be my disciple.
Contemporary English Version... hmmm
You cannot be my disciple, unless you love me more than you love your father and mother, your wife and children, and your brothers and sisters. You cannot come with me unless you love me more than you love your own life.
New Century Version...
If anyone comes to me but loves his father, mother, wife, children, brothers, or sisters—or even life—more than me, he cannot be my follower.
I could go on... but that would be boring.
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Re: Noah's Ark Discovered!

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:42 pm

"I could go on... but that would be boring."

Amen. :coffee:
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Re: Noah's Ark Discovered!

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Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:Apparently, the evangelicals, Noah's Ark Ministries International, who are funding this debacle are "99.9 percent" that a wooden structure found on the mountainside was part of a ship that housed the Biblical Noah, his family and a menagerie of creatures during a giant flood 4,800 years ago.

Genesis identifies the mountains of Urartu (a.k.a. Ararat) as the landing zone for the ark, but not a specific peak. If the ark actually did land on Mt. Ararat specifically, and not just in the "mountains of" Ararat, then why would the writer not just write "Mt. Ararat?"

And, of course, there is not enough water in the world to get an ark that high up a mountain.
Is that the "original" that is worded like that, or the KJV? Translation errors could account for this.
Errors?

Since the original was in Hebrew, and I do not read Hebrew, I do not know.

But, "The name Ararat, as it appears in the Bible, is the Hebrew equivalent of ...Urartu, ancient country of southwest Asia...mentioned in Assyrian sources from the early 13th century BC" Encyclopaedia Britanica 15th ed. And, the Mountains of Ararat (Armenian: Արարատ, Turkish Ağrı Dağı, Biblical Hebrew הרי אררט, Tiberian hārəy Ǎrārāṭ, Septuagint: τὰ ὄρη τὰ or τοῦ Ἀραρὰτ) is the place named in the Book of Genesis where Noah's Ark came to rest after the great flood (Genesis 8:4). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountains_of_Ararat. The Book of Jubilees (7:1) specifies that the Ark came to rest on one of the peaks of the "Mountains of Ararat" called "Lubar". Id. The Latin Vulgate says "requievitque arca [...] super montes Armeniae", which means literally "and the ark rested [...] on the mountains of Armenia", which was corrected to "... mountains of Ararat" (montes Ararat) in the Nova Vulgata (New Vulgate). Id.
I haven't studied the Bereshit in the Hebrew either, but French translation, approved by the Catholics (Jerusalem Bible) also says "Mountains of Ararat" in the plural
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Re: Noah's Ark Discovered!

Post by Faithfree » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:11 pm

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Post by ZZZLPR » Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:32 pm

My theory is that Noah collected the gens of the millions of organisms and stored in a real ark.
Took it in the boat along with few animals and insects.
The survivors were then used to clone back to life all the organisms by using the gens stored in the ark.
I know that are few details missing, but I'll get there. Eventually...

I find my theory more scientific sound than the one in the other book.

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Re: Noah's Ark Discovered!

Post by Tigger » Sat May 01, 2010 9:04 am

Mysturji wrote:
Faithfree wrote:The group that spent all that money building the ark museum at the other site will be pissed off.
http://anchorstone.com/noahs-ark/the-ne ... urkey.html
How many frigging arks were there? I have a book about the discovery of the ark written back in the 1970s.
There were a fleet of arks.
This was the "B" Ark. :coffee:
Was the "B"Ark where the dogs were?
"D"Ark for Owls and nocturnal shit

etc :tea:
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Re: Noah's Ark Discovered!

Post by Deep Sea Isopod » Sat May 01, 2010 9:34 am

Tigger wrote:
Mysturji wrote:
Faithfree wrote:The group that spent all that money building the ark museum at the other site will be pissed off.
http://anchorstone.com/noahs-ark/the-ne ... urkey.html
How many frigging arks were there? I have a book about the discovery of the ark written back in the 1970s.
There were a fleet of arks.
This was the "B" Ark. :coffee:
Was the "B"Ark where the dogs were?
"D"Ark for Owls and nocturnal shit

etc :tea:
I'll get me coat.
"A" ark was for Aardvarks, Aardwolfs and other insectivors.
"H" ark The Herod angels sing on this boat
"L" ark Birds of the Alaudidae family
"M" ark Writers of the Gospels were on this one.
"P" ark Was the boat with the recreation area for walking the dogs etc.
"S" ark was a Tea clipper.
"Z" ark was where the aliens were kept.

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Post by Trolldor » Sat May 01, 2010 9:39 am

So I take it Abraham and Co. were on the "F" Ark?
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Re: Noah's Ark Discovered!

Post by Hermit » Sat May 01, 2010 12:21 pm

Deep Sea Isopod wrote:
Tigger wrote:
Mysturji wrote:
Faithfree wrote:The group that spent all that money building the ark museum at the other site will be pissed off.
http://anchorstone.com/noahs-ark/the-ne ... urkey.html
How many frigging arks were there? I have a book about the discovery of the ark written back in the 1970s.
There were a fleet of arks.
This was the "B" Ark. :coffee:
Was the "B"Ark where the dogs were?
"D"Ark for Owls and nocturnal shit

etc :tea:
I'll get me coat.
"A" ark was for Aardvarks, Aardwolfs and other insectivors.
"H" ark The Herod angels sing on this boat
"L" ark Birds of the Alaudidae family
"M" ark Writers of the Gospels were on this one.
"P" ark Was the boat with the recreation area for walking the dogs etc.
"S" ark was a Tea clipper.
"Z" ark was where the aliens were kept.

:tea:
"B" ark is what a dog is reduced to when it can no longer bite.
"C" ark is what you do at the end of your life.
"F" ark is plain rude.
"Q" ark is invisible to the mere eye.

We're assembling quite a fleet of arks here, perhaps big enough to attack and sink AIG.
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Re: Noah's Ark Discovered!

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat May 01, 2010 12:24 pm

Do we have a "Sn" ark yet?
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Re: Noah's Ark Discovered!

Post by Svartalf » Sat May 01, 2010 1:29 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Do we have a "Sn" ark yet?
That one contained all the dinosaurs and monsters of mythology and was hunted down before it could land safely.
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Re: Noah's Ark Discovered!

Post by Trolldor » Sat May 01, 2010 3:47 pm

Svartalf wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:Do we have a "Sn" ark yet?
That one contained all the dinosaurs and monsters of mythology and was hunted down before it could land safely.
Really? I thought it was filled with teenagers.
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Re: Noah's Ark Discovered!

Post by Svartalf » Sat May 01, 2010 4:42 pm

born-again-atheist wrote:
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Gawdzilla wrote:Do we have a "Sn" ark yet?
That one contained all the dinosaurs and monsters of mythology and was hunted down before it could land safely.
Really? I thought it was filled with teenagers.
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