If I thought it was more likely there's no god then it'd be worth a punt on the 'nothing to lose front' - why not pop the odd one off

But seriously if the prayer was dead quick why wouldn't an agnostic do it?
I certainly like to 'pop the odd one off'!floppit wrote:I can accept agnosticism is possibly the more rational approach but if I claimed it was my own I'd be fibbing. I don't pray because I don't think there's any chance there's a god but I don't get why agnostics don't pray.
If I thought it was more likely there's no god then it'd be worth a punt on the 'nothing to lose front' - why not pop the odd one off.
But seriously if the prayer was dead quick why wouldn't an agnostic do it?
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Fair point. I've often heard people I'd say were atheists describe themselves as agnostic, but at the same time I've never heard them say they pray or talk about the part of them that has some doubt over a no god thing. I guess I'm talking about a very slanted example though - selsf selected in saying that they are agnostic in the first place.rachelsinatra wrote:I prayed as an agnostic, even when I was pretty far down the non-belief scale. It was a habit and yeah, I figured it couldn't hurt and maybe just maybe I'd get some response. I assumed many others do/would as well. Why are you sure they don't?
Yes, it makes sense they would pray, might as well hedge your bets.floppit wrote:I can accept agnosticism is possibly the more rational approach but if I claimed it was my own I'd be fibbing. I don't pray because I don't think there's any chance there's a god but I don't get why agnostics don't pray.
If I thought it was more likely there's no god then it'd be worth a punt on the 'nothing to lose front' - why not pop the odd one off.
But seriously if the prayer was dead quick why wouldn't an agnostic do it?
I totally get that. If I thought there was any chance of any god existing you may as well as not.That's what my cousin does. She is, in my opinion, more atheist than agnostic most of the time, yet others? She's marrying into a old school catholic family and has relented to letting her daughter get baptized - just in case.
leo-rcc wrote:As an agnostic atheist I have no reason to pray at all. It's not about doubt, it's about being honest that I don't know if a god exists or not, but I'm not convinced that there is, let alone which god.
Another child not given a choicemaiforpeace wrote:Yes, it makes sense they would pray, might as well hedge your bets.floppit wrote:I can accept agnosticism is possibly the more rational approach but if I claimed it was my own I'd be fibbing. I don't pray because I don't think there's any chance there's a god but I don't get why agnostics don't pray.
If I thought it was more likely there's no god then it'd be worth a punt on the 'nothing to lose front' - why not pop the odd one off.
But seriously if the prayer was dead quick why wouldn't an agnostic do it?![]()
That's what my cousin does. She is, in my opinion, more atheist than agnostic most of the time, yet others? She's marrying into a old school catholic family and has relented to letting her daughter get baptized - just in case.
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What makes you think it costs me nowt? It costs me time and effort that has zero return of investment. Agnosticism has dick all to do with believing one way or the other, it is about knowing. You've been looking at agnosticism as some kind of middle ground position and that is patently false.floppit wrote:I totally get that. If I thought there was any chance of any god existing you may as well as not.That's what my cousin does. She is, in my opinion, more atheist than agnostic most of the time, yet others? She's marrying into a old school catholic family and has relented to letting her daughter get baptized - just in case.
leo-rcc wrote:As an agnostic atheist I have no reason to pray at all. It's not about doubt, it's about being honest that I don't know if a god exists or not, but I'm not convinced that there is, let alone which god.
But.. but... shit I'd give it a whirl! Sort of 'I don't know which one you are if you are but if you are can you.......' Point is - it you think there's some chance and it costs you nowt why not? The reason to do it is the bit you putt in the dotted bit above.
All the teaching and fear mongering is one thing but I honestly doubt many kids in the absence of that would give a flying rats bahooey if they were baptised. I was baptised - this, right now, is probably the first time I've thought about that ever (and I did get the fear mongering)!Another child not given a choice
I very much doubt I can fully understand the agnostic position of each individual but while I was being a little tongue in cheek it was also a question, had I presumed to know the answer I think your summary would be correct.What makes you think it costs me nowt? It costs me time and effort that has zero return of investment. Agnosticism has dick all to do with believing one way or the other, it is about knowing. You've been looking at agnosticism as some kind of middle ground position and that is patently false.
If there was a question there perhaps you can rephrase it? Because I have no idea what you meant then.floppit wrote:I very much doubt I can fully understand the agnostic position of each individual but while I was being a little tongue in cheek it was also a question, had I presumed to know the answer I think your summary would be correct.What makes you think it costs me nowt? It costs me time and effort that has zero return of investment. Agnosticism has dick all to do with believing one way or the other, it is about knowing. You've been looking at agnosticism as some kind of middle ground position and that is patently false.
I suppose against some of the potential things I could dream up to wish for I think of the cost of 2 seconds thought as nowt, maybe there's sides to it I don't get but I'd be willing to listen.
You've just heard from one. My sister is another. Mousy is another. Why do it at all? Why not allow the child its own choice? Admittedly it's not as bad as involuntary circumcision, but accepting baptism is the same as saying moderate religious belief is ok. It gives credence to the nonsense.floppit wrote:All the teaching and fear mongering is one thing but I honestly doubt many kids in the absence of that would give a flying rats bahooey if they were baptised. I was baptised - this, right now, is probably the first time I've thought about that ever (and I did get the fear mongering)!Another child not given a choice
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