Atheism and homosexuality

[tattuchu]

He's not an atheist! He's a very naughty boy!

A naughty boy, you say? I think he needs a spanking, then Let's get him, girls! :swish:

[JimC]

Which is exactly how it should be

Having pride in anything from Nationality or skin colour to sexuality or world view is not something I like the necessity for. If people would just reflect on those subjects and realise how unimportant they should be the world wouldn't be as shit as it is.

Very true.

However, it is perfectly alright to have pride in one's cardigans, and one's ability to solve quadratic equations.

[epepke]

I have a few gay friends and their sexuality has never been an issue between us and slight campness, be it in the way a lot of gay guys move or the stereotypical lisp in themselves don't bother me, it's the false assertiveness and over emphasised idiosyncrasis that annoy me. Fair play if a guy likes other men, why act like such a knobend though? Straight women don't act like that and butch lesbians don't try and act like a two-dimensional stereotype of a man so why dismiss and try to ignore that so many gay guys are obnoxious, loud and metaphorically in your face about it?

Pride and a flamboyant style is quite understandable when people pick on you; pride can be an effective (though rather primitive) counter for the natural tendency to feel worse about oneself. As you may or may not have noticed, "Gay Pride" parades have become a lot less flamboyant as being gay has become more mainstream. It is pretty stupid, but it's a part of growth, and it isn't reasonable to expect it to vanish entirely. I'm still a bit pissed off about the bad things people said about heterosexuality a quarter of a century ago, though I don't usually talk about it unless someone pushes that button. Seriously, it wasn't that long ago in the US that people were being beaten up and killed around here for being gay, and it still happens in a lot of places around the world. There has to be a psychological reaction to this, a processing of emotions, and you should be glad that it doesn't involve anything much more than putting on a dress with sequins and singling like Ethel Merman. It could be a lot worse.

[...Idle]

...Idle, how do you know you're not gay? There is a fool-proof test, you know.

Most of the time I am not sexually attracted to guys!

[normal]

...Idle, how do you know you're not gay? There is a fool-proof test, you know.

Most of the time I am not sexually attracted to guys!

And the rest of the time you are?

[Elessarina]

I have no problem with homosexuals doing what they need to do in private, I see homosexuality as a disability, since there is no evolutionary desire for a homosexual to have sex with a woman and in turn produce off-spring, which is essentially the propose of all living species, i.e. to propagate their genes through asexual/sexual production. For lesbians this is not a problem in the sense as in evolution as rape of females within a species actually has an evolutionary benefit.

You must have a disability then if you fuck a woman with a condom or have oral sex

[Hermit]

I have no problem with homosexuals doing what they need to do in private, I see homosexuality as a disability, since there is no evolutionary desire for a homosexual to have sex with a woman and in turn produce off-spring, which is essentially the propose of all living species, i.e. to propagate their genes through asexual/sexual production. For lesbians this is not a problem in the sense as in evolution as rape of females within a species actually has an evolutionary benefit.

You must have a disability then if you fuck a woman with a condom or have oral sex

Excellent point, Elessarina.

What say you, idle, and come to think of it, what do you think of this one?

[Elessarina]

Excellent point, Elessarina.

What say you, idle, and come to think of it, what do you think of this one?

Does that also mean having a ham shank is a disability?

[...Idle]

@ ...idle

You don't have to worry about gangs of gay mean raping you up the arse. Really. It's just bullshit you got told in school by kids who knew no better.

Time to get over it.

I've experienced it first hand. Not being raped but gay men making advances on me.

[AshtonBlack]

I think that we can use our rational brains to overcome the anachronistic instinct that sex is just for making babies and if that is true then no consensual sex* can be logically argued against.
Seraph, I believe, is spot on. Not everything natural is required for the continuation of the species, we evolve. (Appendix?)














*with the obvious, exploitation of the vulnerable caveats.

[AshtonBlack]

@ ...idle

You don't have to worry about gangs of gay mean raping you up the arse. Really. It's just bullshit you got told in school by kids who knew no better.

Time to get over it.

I've experienced it first hand. Not being raped but gay men making advances on me.

I was flattered when that happened to me, but since I don't find willies attractive. I smiled and said no thanks.

[CJ]

@ ...idle

You don't have to worry about gangs of gay mean raping you up the arse. Really. It's just bullshit you got told in school by kids who knew no better.

Time to get over it.

I've experienced it first hand. Not being raped but gay men making advances on me.

I was flattered when that happened to me, but since I don't find willies attractive. I smiled and said no thanks.

Ditto! I got my arse grabbed in a Gay bar in Leeds once. It cheered me up no end!!

[...Idle]

...Idle, how do you know you're not gay? There is a fool-proof test, you know.

Most of the time I am not sexually attracted to guys!

And the rest of the time you are?

I don't think everyone is 100% straight all the time. After reading some of the views I find that maybe like one poster said if I experienced the discrimination then I would be proud of being a gay too just to make a statement, that gays exist they are humans and they are here to stay. As I kind of see it being a parallel to my own position of being an Ex-Muslim something which I am proud of.

[virphen]

I've experienced it first hand. Not being raped but gay men making advances on me.

Me too. Let me guess though... they took no for an answer, and you didn't have to hold them off with a machete in order to protect your precious anal virtue?

[AshtonBlack]

I think in actually answering the OP then. Atheism had nothing logically to "say" about gender or sexuality. However the rational person, tries to look at the evidence and there is none that suggests homosexuality is wrong.

I think the second question has been answered by others better than I.